no, they pay to the substation, not to the production, huge difference. There is no way around it that data centers in their current state are a scourge. And should be taxed as such. Downstream costs will never be offset by their tax revenues, in large part because they're not documented.
I would love to see a legitimate study of the downstream costs of datacenters service by ameren alone. The massive hikes this summer resulted in a ton of short term loans being taken by consumers to cover the unanticipated data center hikes. Id be curious to see how much interest expense alone resulted downstream. The spike in costs wasnt solely a result of the data centers, there was the heat wave, but ameren sold something in bulk that they didnt have in bulk... seems in a regulated industry that should be illegal. I cant sell you 10 keys of blow if i dont have 10 keys of blow, except in this case i still sell you 10 keys at the kilo rate, but then just charge all my rackheads 3x as much to cover getting more blow for them. If ameren were a drug dealer, theyd be hanging upside down naked on a bridge with their pecker in their mouth. I cant say id really stop luigi from talking to ameren execs about this On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 3:18 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > They do pay for their own grid improvements, be it transmission lines, > substations, etc. > > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 3:09:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series > > > > If a fat guys eats everything at an all you eat buffet every day and the > price of the buffet goes up because of the ingredient replacement costs, > everybody else is paying for the fat guy to eat a fat guys portion. His > bulk discount gets everybody elses pocketbook lighter. > > > Data centers should be mandated to fund their own consumption back to the > grid > Then again I feel the Same about owners of EV charging stations, they > should have an annual tax commensurate to their consumption to fund the > delivery of their excess > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:47 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: > > > I'm not sure it works that way, though, at least now up here in Illinois > PJM. I don't remember if it's the PJM or the Illinois part. > > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 2:08:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series > > > > I implied it > > > Ameren in particular > > > They give datacenters bulk purchase discounts, and passed it on to the > consumers in great scale this year. > > > durp, sorry, they didnt win the bid on bulk purchase or some nonsense like > that > > > Its no different then us selling bulk DIA circuits at discounted rates to > a large client, then passing our increased upstream cost on to the > residential customers > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 1:47 PM Josh Luthman < [email protected] > > wrote: > > > > I didn't say anything about data centers, nor did Steve. > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:31 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: > > > In the PJM region, that had very little to do with data centers, as I > outline in my article. > > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 1:16:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series > > > > The typical residential electric bill is monstrously more expensive, > however, they aren't earning anything other than what they had before: > pitiful customer service, no options for alternatives, and general distaste > for their provider option. > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:04 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: > > > Could you restate that? > > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2025 2:38:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series > > > > i love all the gain the citizens are buying on their utility bills > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 9:03 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: > > > I've been putting together some articles to debunk the massive amount of > datacenter FUD and misinformation. > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-data-centers-actually-mean-northern-illinois-mike-hammett-gcw1c > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/electricity-addendum-why-electric-bills-really-rose-what-mike-hammett-funxc?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_pulse_read%3B%2BQTxyzShQlymoMHIijY2xQ%3D%3D > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/addendum-property-values-eav-growth-taxes-dekalb-county-mike-hammett-tpbsc?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_pulse_read%3B%2BQTxyzShQlymoMHIijY2xQ%3D%3D > > > > > -- > Mike Hammett > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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