no, they pay to the substation, not to the production, huge
difference. There is no way around it that data centers in their
current state are a scourge. And should be taxed as such. Downstream
costs will never be offset by their tax revenues, in large part
because they're not documented.
I would love to see a legitimate study of the downstream costs of
datacenters service by ameren alone.
The massive hikes this summer resulted in a ton of short term loans
being taken by consumers to cover the unanticipated data center hikes.
Id be curious to see how much interest expense alone resulted
downstream. The spike in costs wasnt solely a result of the data
centers, there was the heat wave, but ameren sold something in bulk
that they didnt have in bulk... seems in a regulated industry that
should be illegal. I cant sell you 10 keys of blow if i dont have 10
keys of blow, except in this case i still sell you 10 keys at the kilo
rate, but then just charge all my rackheads 3x as much to cover
getting more blow for them. If ameren were a drug dealer, theyd be
hanging upside down naked on a bridge with their pecker in their mouth.
I cant say id really stop luigi from talking to ameren execs about this
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 3:18 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
They do pay for their own grid improvements, be it transmission
lines, substations, etc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected]>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 3:09:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series
If a fat guys eats everything at an all you eat buffet every day
and the price of the buffet goes up because of the ingredient
replacement costs, everybody else is paying for the fat guy to eat
a fat guys portion. His bulk discount gets everybody elses
pocketbook lighter.
Data centers should be mandated to fund their own consumption back
to the grid
Then again I feel the Same about owners of EV charging stations,
they should have an annual tax commensurate to their consumption
to fund the delivery of their excess
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:47 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
wrote:
I'm not sure it works that way, though, at least now up here in
Illinois PJM. I don't remember if it's the PJM or the Illinois part.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 2:08:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series
I implied it
Ameren in particular
They give datacenters bulk purchase discounts, and passed it on to
the consumers in great scale this year.
durp, sorry, they didnt win the bid on bulk purchase or some
nonsense like that
Its no different then us selling bulk DIA circuits at discounted
rates to a large client, then passing our increased upstream cost
on to the residential customers
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 1:47 PM Josh Luthman <
[email protected] > wrote:
I didn't say anything about data centers, nor did Steve.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:31 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
wrote:
In the PJM region, that had very little to do with data centers,
as I outline in my article.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2025 1:16:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series
The typical residential electric bill is monstrously more
expensive, however, they aren't earning anything other than what
they had before: pitiful customer service, no options for
alternatives, and general distaste for their provider option.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:04 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
wrote:
Could you restate that?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2025 2:38:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data Center Article Series
i love all the gain the citizens are buying on their utility bills
On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 9:03 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
wrote:
I've been putting together some articles to debunk the massive
amount of datacenter FUD and misinformation.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-data-centers-actually-mean-northern-illinois-mike-hammett-gcw1c
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/electricity-addendum-why-electric-bills-really-rose-what-mike-hammett-funxc?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_pulse_read%3B%2BQTxyzShQlymoMHIijY2xQ%3D%3D
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/addendum-property-values-eav-growth-taxes-dekalb-county-mike-hammett-tpbsc?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_pulse_read%3B%2BQTxyzShQlymoMHIijY2xQ%3D%3D
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