Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety
benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to
a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant
experience.

Chuck


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote:

> From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:
>
> "Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
> capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then
> reconnects when the customer starts a new account."
>
> "One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd can
> provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the customer
> has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
> transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one location to
> another within the ComEd service territory."
>
> I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling the
> electric company and having them remotely shut off the power makes it safe
> to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM
>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> Well, maybe some of them.  I don't think the ones around here have that
> capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
> relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
> smartmeters occupy.
>
> For now I think they are mostly big brother watching.
>
> bp
>
> On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> What do you think a smartmeter is?
>>
>> I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a
>> truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it
>> any time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>> One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
>> we'll all be doooooooooommmmmdddd!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> circuit breaker...
>>>
>>> From: Ken Hohhof via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>
>>> Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
>>> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
>>> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes
>>> you
>>> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
>>> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there. Then you
>>> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi,
>>> plug
>>> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put
>>> the
>>> grill back on.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bill Prince via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>
>>> Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
>>> re-init switch).
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to share in that job.
>>>
>>> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> Microwave display is screwed up....unplug it and plug it back in.
>>> Washing machine digital display is not responding.....unplug it and plug
>>> it
>>> back in.
>>> DVD Player frozen.....unplug it and plug it back in.
>>> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears......turn it off and turn it back on.
>>>
>>> These are all true stories.
>>>
>>> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
>>> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
>>> participating in a botnet.
>>>
>>> finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
>>> falling!?!?
>>>
>>> hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The apocalypse is coming!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>>>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>>>
>>>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>>>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>>>
>>>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>>>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>>>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your
>>>> smarthouse
>>>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>>>> connection to the collective.
>>>>
>>>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>>>> now
>>>> I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>>>> printer
>>>> or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to
>>>> operate
>>>> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?
>>>> Like
>>>> handoff between APs?
>>>>
>>>> From: Josh Baird via Af
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>>
>>>> You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>>>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows
>>>> machine?
>>>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
>>>>>> Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> someone make something with true roaming?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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