Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:32:02 -0800 

It would be a Control & Automation product, so:

mMeter

Like mCookies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14qyN0rVGA
My favorite is Mmm Pistol Whip.
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.

bp

On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts by carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the lines 
by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power
companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the minimum requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then be 
set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
either.
Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going down (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will tell them where they have issues so they can route around much much much faster; other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a control 
panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick
throwing a switch in the rain.

It is a fascinating topic...

Chuck
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> wrote: 
The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts

I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of
those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying onto the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump water on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living over 
there. Linemen get beat up alot
You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, these poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the majority of the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... not a 
justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:

Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety
benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant experience. 

Chuck
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote: 
 From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:

"Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then
reconnects when the customer starts a new account."

"One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd
can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the customer 
has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one location to 
another within the ComEd service territory."

I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling
the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power makes it 
safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)


-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM

To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
Well, maybe some of them. I don't think the ones around here have that 
capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
smartmeters occupy.

For now I think they are mostly big brother watching.

bp

On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What do you think a smartmeter is?
I compare it to cable. With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it 
any time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.


-----Original Message----- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
we'll all be doooooooooommmmmdddd!

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:

circuit breaker...

From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
Have you unplugged your fridge lately? You have to roll it out. That involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind 
of
wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws. Then your wife makes 
you
pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep 
up
all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there. Then you climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi, 
plug
it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put 
the
grill back on.


From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch 
(or
re-init switch).

bp

On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

I'd be happy to share in that job.

My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
everything.

Microwave display is screwed up....unplug it and plug it back in.
Washing machine digital display is not responding.....unplug it and
plug it
back in.
DVD Player frozen.....unplug it and plug it back in.
Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears......turn it off and turn it back on. 

These are all true stories.

The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work
unless
you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
participating in a botnet.
finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is 
falling!?!?

hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:


The apocalypse is coming!!!!!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open
your
garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the
cloud.
And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down? I 
can’t flush my toilet.”

You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs
interfering
with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage
door
opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your
smarthouse
has working Internet. Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the 
connection to the collective.

I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller,
and now
I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
printer
or using Chromecast to my TV. Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to 
operate
without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
working? Like
handoff between APs?

From: Josh Baird via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote:

Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows
machine?
Install a unifi "server" ?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:


UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:


What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi
coverage?
Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does
rukus or
someone make something with true roaming?



















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