Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:07:35 -0800

I'm very interested in the parallels that this thread has to our industry. And the response that we have to someone else basically doing the same thing we do. 

Powerco has Single line into a subdivision = Tower with only 1 backhaul
Powerco drops a 2nd feed in, but with Manual cutover = Static routing, having to manually change the route between backhauls Powerco Adds intelligence to substation, able to automatically switch during a failure = OSPF Routing Powerco Monitors utilization of feeds to substation = This backhaul is full, but I'm not sure where it's all going Powerco Adds intelligence to individual meter = We can see how much data each customer is using Powerco is able to use Smart Meter to manage Loads during peak times = I'm going to queue Netflix so that my backhaul doesn't overload at 7pm 


Isn't the powerco basically doing the exact same thing we do?  Managing 
the electrons....


On 11/5/2014 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

It would be a Control & Automation product, so:

mMeter

Like mCookies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14qyN0rVGA
My favorite is Mmm Pistol Whip.


-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.

bp

On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af <[email protected]> 
wrote:

In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling 
brownouts/blackouts by
carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of 
the lines
by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give 
power
companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the 
minimum
requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can 
then be

set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
either.


Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines 
going down
(storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters 
will tell
them where they have issues so they can route around much much much 
faster;
other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a 
control
panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated 
stick

throwing a switch in the rain.

It is a fascinating topic...

Chuck


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> 
wrote:

The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts

I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of

those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just 
tying onto
the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people 
dump water
on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine 
living over

there. Linemen get beat up alot


You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian 
issue, these
poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the 
majority of
the background images were of people powering consumer 
electronics... not a

justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:

Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge 
safety
benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the 
power off to
a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant 
experience.


Chuck



On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> 
wrote:

 From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:

"Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching

capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, 
then

reconnects when the customer starts a new account."


"One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that 
ComEd
can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after 
the customer

has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the

transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one 
location to

another within the ComEd service territory."


I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether 
calling
the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power 
makes it

safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)


-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM

To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses


Well, maybe some of them.  I don't think the ones around here 
have that

capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
smartmeters occupy.

For now I think they are mostly big brother watching.

bp

On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What do you think a smartmeter is?


I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a 
guy in a
truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a 
computer can do it

any time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.


-----Original Message----- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses


One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated 
and

we'll all be doooooooooommmmmdddd!

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:

circuit breaker...

From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses


Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it 
out. That
involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out 
what kind

of

wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your 
wife makes

you

pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum 
and sweep

up

all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there. 
Then you
climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two 
Mississippi,

plug

it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, 
and put

the
grill back on.


From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses


Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off 
switch

(or
re-init switch).

bp

On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

I'd be happy to share in that job.

My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
everything.

Microwave display is screwed up....unplug it and plug it back in.

Washing machine digital display is not responding.....unplug it 
and

plug it
back in.
DVD Player frozen.....unplug it and plug it back in.

Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears......turn it off and turn it 
back on.


These are all true stories.

The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work
unless

you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will 
all be

participating in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the 
sky is

falling!?!?

hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:


The apocalypse is coming!!!!!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open
your
garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the
cloud.


And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower 
down? I

can’t flush my toilet.”

You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs
interfering
with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage
door
opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your
smarthouse

has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you 
cut the

connection to the collective.


I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud 
controller,

and now

I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my 
wireless

printer

or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should 
continue to

operate
without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
working? Like
handoff between APs?

From: Josh Baird via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]> wrote:


Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it 
without a

controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows
machine?
Install a unifi "server" ?


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
<[email protected]>

wrote:


UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af <[email protected]>
wrote:


What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi
coverage?
Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does
rukus or
someone make something with true roaming?



















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