I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but
the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems
is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super
user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for
people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a
PTP link.

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
easier to guarantee success.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af <[email protected]> wrote:

> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
> proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
> options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
> links with AF5.
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
>> Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
>> be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with
>>> the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>>
>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>>> [email protected]]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>>
>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many
>>> other bands they could release equipment for.
>>>
>>> Maybe licensed? Hrmmmm...
>>>
>>> One can hope, right?
>>>
>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>>>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>>>
>>>> If not sooner.
>>>>
>>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>>
>>>> Hrmmmmmmmmm.....
>>>>
>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>
>>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>>>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>>>
>>>> :P
>>>>
>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>
>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>>>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>>>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>>>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>>>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not.
>>>> Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
>>>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]>
>>>> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
>>>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium
>>>> would be
>>>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do
>>>> when
>>>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
>>>> outshine
>>>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even
>>>> .AC
>>>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]>
>>>> > *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
>>>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>>>> >
>>>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg
>>>> price
>>>> > point.
>>>> >
>>>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tushar
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] On
>>>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
>>>> > To: [email protected]
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>> >
>>>> > > Yes no maybe.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
>>>> competitive
>>>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
>>>> licenses.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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