Quote from Ken "this business - ages you at Internet speed. "
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > You aren't?! > > *ducking* > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Erich Kaiser via Af" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:35:33 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy > > Its ok George someone around here thought I was 70 :) LOL! > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I just turned 30, guess I'm an old man because I use Canopy. I'm done >> arguing. Merry Christmas. Now get off my lawn. >> >> On 12/18/2014 8:23 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: >> >> Um... who are you calling old? Josh just started shaving last week. >> (Ok - I'm kidding, but I'm pretty sure he is under 30). >> >> And dammit - I've earned the right to be a crotchety old man and screw >> it - I'm going to enjoy it. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Canopy guys seem to like it one way and one way only. Crotchety old >> men... >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:10:43 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >> >> What exactly is the problem with adding tools to make it easier to >> access??? Just add the features that people want, if you don't like 'em >> don't use 'em! >> >> </thread> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day. It's a pain in the >>> ass having to McGiver your way into them every time. Sure we >>> auto-configure a lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to >>> look at signal strength and such during the install or when troubleshooting. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple >>> times a day? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof via Af" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>> >>> But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, >>> but rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber >>> listed by name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into >>> that SM. >>> >>> Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave >>> basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, >>> but if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, >>> you have to find him by his MAC address, not by name. The expensive piece >>> of crap equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, >>> it acts like a glorified MIB browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I >>> assumed would add this level of intelligence, but no. >>> >>> So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC telnet >>> tricks. But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If you >>> don’t find it useful, fine. Most of us use it multiple times every day. >>> It’s a cool feature. >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard via Af <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>> >>> If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of have >>> to wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it >>> seems like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ >>> [email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>> >>> I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP devices >>> on my network. >>> >>> Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can get >>> to any Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. >>> Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Steve D via Af" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there instead of >>> just embracing a good feature that works? Yes, there are ways around, BUT, >>> the Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*. No thinking about how to get to that >>> SM is required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM - end >>> of story. >>> >>> -Steve D >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with accessing the GUI? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Bill Prince via Af" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>>> >>>> Possibly a little simpler with similar results. It gets you a CLI on >>>> the target client. The proxy is nice because you can run the web gui. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> bp >>>> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: >>>> >>>> With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that >>>> layer 2 segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Vlad Sedov via Af" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>>> >>>> One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal >>>> network between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the >>>> proxy so smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having >>>> the right IP address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when >>>> connecting from the AP). >>>> We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major >>>> headache.. We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with >>>> ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in >>>> the closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. >>>> Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat. >>>> >>>> Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope >>>> it gets properly implemented. >>>> >>>> Vlad >>>> >>>> On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: >>>> >>>> How are you doing it with Ubnt? Can't the same be done with epmp? >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access >>>>> to a minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT have >>>>> to get out a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, point >>>>> it at the tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality >>>>> check and go. Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the >>>>> CPE but it's not as clean as Canopy. >>>>> >>>>> No way at all that I know of with ePMP. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code field >>>>> techs can't FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years >>>>> ago that made the process super safe. >>>>> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book. It >>>>> annoys me working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something >>>>> like an IP or vlan. >>>>> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Me too. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have >>>>>> finger to count on. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> bp >>>>>> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No, rather just have it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a >>>>>>> show-stopper to not have it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This brings me to a new post... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP proxy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you >>>>>>> guys >>>>>>> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. >>>>>>> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> make this work. Please do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> <http://www.avast.com/> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >
