Quote from Ken
"this business - ages you at Internet speed. "
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You aren't?!
*ducking*
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *"Erich Kaiser via Af" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:35:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Its ok George someone around here thought I was 70 :) LOL!
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I just turned 30, guess I'm an old man because I use Canopy.
I'm done arguing. Merry Christmas. Now get off my lawn.
On 12/18/2014 8:23 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
Um... who are you calling old? Josh just started shaving
last week. (Ok - I'm kidding, but I'm pretty sure he is
under 30).
And dammit - I've earned the right to be a crotchety old
man and screw it - I'm going to enjoy it.
Mark
On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Mike Hammett via Af
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Canopy guys seem to like it one way and one way only.
Crotchety old men...
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From:*"Josh Luthman via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:10:43 PM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
What exactly is the problem with adding tools to make
it easier to access??? Just add the features that
people want, if you don't like 'em don't use 'em!
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Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mark Radabaugh via
Af<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a
day. It's a pain in the ass having to McGiver
your way into them every time. Sure we
auto-configure a lot of it, but there are still
have to get into them to look at signal strength
and such during the install or when troubleshooting.
Mark
On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via
Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Why do you need to access CPE that aren't
directly accessible multiple times a day?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From:*"Ken Hohhof via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled
person could MacGyver it, but rather a session
list right there in the GUI with every
subscriber listed by name, and you click on
the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM.
Like one of many things that pisses me off
about my $10K Purewave basestation is you can
see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber
name, but if you want to see any stats or
change the config for that subscriber, you
have to find him by his MAC address, not by
name. The expensive piece of crap equipment
has all the information to make your life
easy, but no, it acts like a glorified MIB
browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I
assumed would add this level of intelligence,
but no.
So yes in a pinch you could probably get there
through some MAC telnet tricks. But with the
AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If
you don’t find it useful, fine. Most of us
use it multiple times every day. It’s a cool
feature.
*From:*Mathew Howard via Af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
If there's a mac-telnet package out there for
linux, you kind of have to wonder why it isn't
already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter.
it seems like it would be pretty simple to add
and incredibly useful.
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Mike Hammett via Af [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
I never really had a need for it. I now no
longer have any PMP devices on my network.
Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless
either, but if you can get to any Mikrotik
device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to
the rest. Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From:*"Steve D via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:*"af" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Mike,
You sound like you're trying to excuse it for
not being there instead of just embracing a
good feature that works? Yes, there are ways
around, BUT, the Canopy AP-SM proxy *just
works*. No thinking about how to get to that
SM is required, if you can get to the AP then
you can get to the SM - end of story.
-Steve D
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett
via Af<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with
accessing the GUI?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From:*"Bill Prince via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Possibly a little simpler with similar
results. It gets you a CLI on the target
client. The proxy is nice because you can
run the web gui.
--
bp
<part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot}
com>
On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af
wrote:
With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or
mac-winbox to anything on that layer 2
segment. That sounds more useful than
this proxy.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From:*"Vlad Sedov via
Af"mailto:[email protected]
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, December 18, 2014
9:11:55 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
One thing that makes it so
bullet-proof on Canopy, is the
internal network between the AP and
the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what
makes the proxy so smooth. With ePMP
and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of
having the right IP address set in the
SM before you can manage it (even when
connecting from the AP).
We sorely miss this feature in ePMP,
and it makes NMS mapping a major
headache.. We don't pre-map SMs
before they go out into the field, so
with ePMPs, I have to create a static
ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address
in the closest Mikrotik router, and
use the Tik proxy to get into the SM..
Change IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
Click-through is a cruel joke without
the proxy. I really, really hope it
gets properly implemented.
Vlad
On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman
via Af wrote:
How are you doing it with Ubnt?
Can't the same be done with epmp?
Josh Luthman
Office:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark
Radabaugh via Af" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
For our install method proxy
access (or some means of
remote access to a minimally
configured CPE) is a must
have. The installers do NOT
have to get out a computer or
otherwise access the device.
Power it up, point it at the
tower, listen for signal, call
the office for a signal
quality check and go.
Everything regarding CPE
programming can be done remotely.
This can be done with Ubnt as
well by SSH to the AP's and
then to the CPE but it's not
as clean as Canopy.
No way at all that I know of
with ePMP.
Mark
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04
PM, Steve D via Af
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Use it all the time.
Between it and installer
color code field techs
can't FUBAR an install.
When our larger networks
were vlan'd years ago that
made the process super safe.
One of the "best features"
of the canopy platform in
my book. It annoys me
working on 802.11 crap
when I see a tech has
typo'd something like an
IP or vlan.
On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM,
"Bill Prince via Af"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Me too.
I don't know how many
times I've used it,
but it's more than I
have finger to count on.
--
bp
<part {dash} 15 {at}
SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com>
On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM,
George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af
wrote:
No, rather just
have it.
On 12/17/2014 9:07
PM, Josh Luthman
via Af wrote:
Rather have it
and not need
it then need
it and not
have it.
Josh Luthman
Office:937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct:937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17,
2014 9:55 PM,
"Mike Hammett
via Af"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
I used it
a couple
times on
my Canopy
gear, but
it was
never a
show-stopper
to not
have it.
This
brings me
to a new
post...
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent
Computing
Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From:*"George
Skorup
(Cyber
Broadcasting)
via Af"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Wednesday,
December
17, 2014
8:30:14 PM
*Subject:*[AFMUG]
ePMP proxy
OK Cambium
ePMP dudes
and
chicks, I
am
disappointed.
I thought
you guys
had
Canopy-like SM
"click-thru"
access,
aka LUID
proxy. But
this is not
the case
on 2.3.3.
All you
give me is
a URL with
the IP of
the SM.
Informational
helpful,
yes,
operationally
helpful, no.
I'm
guessing
you need
an RF
private
network
like
exists on
Canopy to
make this
work.
Please do it.
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