....I'd show you my shocked face but....
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From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Prince <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 10:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite.
Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be
good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that
has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 "sensors". The way I use sensors on our
network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet
for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in
an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it
is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls
are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and
Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we
have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon)
This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a
locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is
really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds
at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is
useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I
am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t
keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and
AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an
issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in
CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may
determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with
block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
From: That One Guy<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and
use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost
effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me
with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a
great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on
your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of
supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the
switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via
managed switches would be my preference.
From: Brandon Yuchasz<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is
something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the
process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing to
both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the
phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use per SM,
per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to blind
right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under control now
before we get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik and
butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never
implemented.
Contact me off list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
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