Exactly.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 1:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Torch or Packet Sniffer? Torch is nice because you get kind of a rolling
snapshot of the traffic for an IP or group of IPs or whatever. The Packet
Sniffer actually allows you to collect pcap data (that I then load into
wireshark).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 11:02 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
FWIW, torch is painful. It's a seriously dumbed down version of tcpdump. I
don't know why they don't just ditch torch and use the OSS and much better
equivalent anyway.
On Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:[email protected] wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with
“billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at
each tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms
of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like Torch. Even if he
goes with VLANs, an intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many
times over.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this point is to
get better monitoring abilities... and a good billing system would accomplish
most of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with something like
Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them all as switches to start out
and get all the hardware you need in place before you actually change anything,
if nothing else, you'd gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a
better idea what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the
future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it has a network
element (BMU) that has to go somewhere.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 "sensors". The way I use sensors
on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal
subnet for it.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am
uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as
embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well.
Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize,
Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way.
But we have several different sites that are all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450
coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is
secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to
Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site
is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down
speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing
equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the
services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months
and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track
CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of
an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small
Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be
converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with
NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP?
This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each
tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router?
From: That One Guy
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged
network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a
cost effective solution for you as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network
sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your
routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites
capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or
replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each
AP via managed switches would be my preference.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network
torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed.
This is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to
end the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is
willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the
process works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working
over the phone and through a remote desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth
use per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are
just to blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it
under control now before we get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased
microtik and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work
never implemented.
Contact me off list [email protected] if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
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