Torch or Packet Sniffer? Torch is nice because you get kind of a
rolling snapshot of the traffic for an IP or group of IPs or whatever.
The Packet Sniffer actually allows you to collect pcap data (that I then
load into wireshark).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 11:02 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
FWIW, torch is painful. It's a seriously dumbed down version of
tcpdump. I don't know why they don't just ditch torch and use the OSS
and much better equivalent anyway.
On Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating
with “billing”.
Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a
router at each tower that have nothing to do with billing or
monitoring. Think in terms of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik
router, and tools like Torch. Even if he goes with VLANs, an
intelligent device at the tower is worth its cost many times over.
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:48 PM
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged
network torouted. (More Info)
But it seems like his primary reason for going routed at this
point is to get better monitoring abilities... and a good billing
system would accomplish most of that.
I would start replacing all the switches at the towers with
something like Mikrotik RB2011's... you could just configure them
all as switches to start out and get all the hardware you need in
place before you actually change anything, if nothing else, you'd
gain the Mikrotik's internal graphing to give you a better idea
what's going on in the short term.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a
prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like
Powercode for the future, it might be good to take that into
consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that has to
go somewhere.
*From:* Bill Prince <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:17 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 "sensors". The way I
use sensors on our network, that will cover about 2 devices.
http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire
up an internal subnet for it.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged network torouted. (More Info)
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit
when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning
something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill
open to robe.
All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the
PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we
are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave
are the most used.
Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a
similar way. But we have several different sites that are
all very similar.
The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs
(PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my
equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel
box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2
through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one
PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all
tied together in a weatherproof box.
So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went
then way of NAT.
We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we
limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps
you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for
this process. Our customers are quite happy with the
services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size
in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way.
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged networktorouted.
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be
able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this
much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at
micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a
450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can
be converted to routed, often without a truck roll.
One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers.
Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple
customers to one public IP? This may determine which
approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower
with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big
central router?
*From:*That One Guy <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged networktorouted.
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully
bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am
curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you
as well.
I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget
cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed,
let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to
manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your
routers on your desk before you begin
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at
some point.
A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.
How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at
the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where
I would start. Either that or replacing the switches
with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to
each AP via managed switches would be my preference.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a
bridged network torouted.
I am looking for help converting our network from
bridged to routed. This is something I don’t have a
lot of background in but I also don’t want to end the
process having a system I can’t fix so I will need
someone that is willing to both do the work and teach
me at the same time. Depending on how the process
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour
a week working over the phone and through a remote
desktop app.
My main reasons for working on this now are I need to
see bandwidth use per SM, per AP, and have better ways
of tracking both long term. We are just to blind right
now and starting to really grow again I need to get it
under control now before we get to large.
I am open to suggestions on routers but already had
purchased microtik and butches scripts which after
trying and failing to get it to work never implemented.
Contact me off list [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> if you can help.
Thanks,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
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