I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products
that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you
are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for
the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the
product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited
about hanging them
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products
(run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and
overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the
'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good
2-3 links...
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in
adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in
50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls
running at symmetrical speeds anyway?
Sync isn't for every application...
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll
ever get out of a dynamic mode.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be
condoning non-sync uses.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Chuck Macenski" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I
will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad
market demand, not to simply say "me too". As they say, if you are
following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this
product would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the
demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a
link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction,
or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not
full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25
to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another
link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the
radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your
regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx
antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream
other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be?
If it would be <5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make
much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace
ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the
moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having
multiple units synced together (as the framing would be
changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33
(either master to slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no
steenking adaptive duty cycle...
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of
AF) support adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked
down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc????
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
