If there's a cheaper product out there that performs better, I sure don't know what it is... the B5lite can technically do more bandwidth for less money I guess, but that's not really comparable due to the antennas. On Mar 13, 2015 1:41 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com> wrote:
> Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, > less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is > exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... > > So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? > > What am I missing here? > > -- > Josh Reynolds > CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com > > On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > > I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products > that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are > looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync > of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as > I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Jon Langeler > *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question > > > > You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products > (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. > If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small > potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> wrote: > > I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in > adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 > and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at > symmetrical speeds anyway? > > > > Sync isn't for every application... > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get > out of a dynamic mode. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question > > 3/4 want it, it looks like! > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning > non-sync uses. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chuck Macenski" <ch...@macenski.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question > > > > Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say > that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not > to simply say "me too". As they say, if you are following, the view is > always the same :) > > > > Chuck > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product > would be a PTP650 killer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" < > geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes > down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses > completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't > want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there > are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet > another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger > permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come > back up. > > And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber > with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. > > On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the > upstream needed to sustain downstream. > > > > Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be > <5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal > to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic > possibility. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be > done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the > framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we > could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for > this? > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Will there be? > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave > or slave to master). > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <li...@wavelinc.com> > wrote: > > I'm talking half duplex, sorry. > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty > cycle... > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive > duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc???? > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 > > fax. 419-617-0110 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
