What it really comes down to for me is this, I don't care that the next fancy dancy AP coming out can deliver 200mbps to a single client. That doesn't matter to me if that's the total aggregate the AP can deliver. What I care about is spectral efficiency and providing 5mb, 10mb, 30mb speed packages to multiple customers on a tower. So if a 450 AP can only provide 80mbps downlink on a sector. If I ever get to the point were those customers on that sector are using all 80mbps I will just throw up another sector in the same direction as those customers and offload that load between two AP's now instead of just 1. Or I could put two narrower beanwidth sectors towards those clients and split it up that way. With 450 and stable predicatable sync I can easily do that...
That's where I think 450 really shines and is going to scale for a LONG time. As long as you have tower space you can just keep throwing up sectors all day long and you will never run out of capacity. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with just > about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and > know the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes > frequency planning extremely challenging after awhile. > > I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale > better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's > pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector > due to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more > practical. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. My >> network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've >> largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync >> Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready. >> >> Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's >> the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 >> miles that didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in >> suburban Chicago. Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since >> pulled all of that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors. >> >> A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was >> Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several >> months (maybe a couple years?) because they didn't know what they were >> doing. >> >> There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least >> as long as I have... 802.11 based. An area WISP aggregator... 802.11 >> based from what I've seen. >> >> What gear you use has less to do with your success than properly >> engineering a network. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Craig Schmaderer" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! >> >> I agree with Kurt. EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but I've been >> doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that works for voip, vpn, >> gaming, reliability, and just dam works is cambium 100 to 450. And as for >> mimosa and AC hardware, i hope they have a great product but unless it can >> do what 450 can do for reliable links it has no place in my network. Every >> ubnt wisp that has popped up in my service area has either quit or pulled >> out of my area. >> >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> >> Wavelinc Communications >> >> P.O. Box 126 >> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> >> tel. 419-562-6405 >> >> fax. 419-617-0110 >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> GPS APs? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Mar 18, 2015 10:39 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> integrated subscriber models 2.4 and 5ghz, have a few of the >>>> connectorized for AP's >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What hardware? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> On Mar 18, 2015 9:15 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> prob 50 cents on the dollar >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How much do you want for the ePMP? ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:12:28 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt, >>>>>> >>>>>> That pricing lines up with what I was told by Cambium at the shows. >>>>>> I am going to assume that since its MSRP that WISPS can buy at 80% of >>>>>> that >>>>>> price level so then we are looking at $1160.00 for the lite AP and then >>>>>> the >>>>>> upgrade key so that is right there with what a full-AP would have cost so >>>>>> really no price disadvantage to start out with the lite-AP. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is wonderfull news! I am planning on ripping out a bunch of >>>>>> EPMP and putting 450 in its place. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> >>>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>>> >>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>>>>> >>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was just told $1449 MSRP, and $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Caleb Knauer < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the only difference is the SU count? If so, that's quite >>>>>>>> refreshing. Well, let's see the price first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Matt Mangriotis >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but here you go! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Read about the applications that I think you might be able to use >>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>> > these (of course, you guys know better than me… so if I messed up >>>>>>>> on any of >>>>>>>> > these, or you have any to add, let me know!) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > See your resellers to order them. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Matt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >
