i feel the same way Glen....i think the "west" side of the network has more usage but i'd think the "east" side has more customers. "west" usage is 2x what east usage is...
----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Waldrop To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! Location matters as well. I've got a decent footprint. It is funny to see how entire neighborhoods have similar Internet usage. Some are on 24/7, others check the news, the weather then go to work, check their email when they get home and that's it. One of my first 802.11n towers (4th or 5th tower I put up) is still only lightly used. The second tower I put up has over 5 times the usage with the same number of subs. This is all within ~20 miles. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hammett To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! We must sell different services. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Milholen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I say i had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but rather wait till final hour we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between both sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to. On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration path. I would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS gear. I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so terrible, at least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest platform move (ePMP) (sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the "scale" issues. People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! I don't want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's easier to say when you're not paying $3k for them. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter? I thought you went the ePMP route. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to any network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> To: "af" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with just about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and know the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes frequency planning extremely challenging after awhile. I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector due to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more practical. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. My network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready. Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles that didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban Chicago. Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors. A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several months (maybe a couple years?) because they didn't know what they were doing. There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least as long as I have... 802.11 based. An area WISP aggregator... 802.11 based from what I've seen. What gear you use has less to do with your success than properly engineering a network. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Craig Schmaderer" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! I agree with Kurt. EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but I've been doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that works for voip, vpn, gaming, reliability, and just dam works is cambium 100 to 450. And as for mimosa and AC hardware, i hope they have a great product but unless it can do what 450 can do for reliable links it has no place in my network. Every ubnt wisp that has popped up in my service area has either quit or pulled out of my area. On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: GPS APs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 18, 2015 10:39 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> wrote: integrated subscriber models 2.4 and 5ghz, have a few of the connectorized for AP's Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: What hardware? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 18, 2015 9:15 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> wrote: prob 50 cents on the dollar Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: How much do you want for the ePMP? ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:12:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! Matt, That pricing lines up with what I was told by Cambium at the shows. I am going to assume that since its MSRP that WISPS can buy at 80% of that price level so then we are looking at $1160.00 for the lite AP and then the upgrade key so that is right there with what a full-AP would have cost so really no price disadvantage to start out with the lite-AP. This is wonderfull news! I am planning on ripping out a bunch of EPMP and putting 450 in its place. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: I was just told $1449 MSRP, and $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Caleb Knauer <[email protected]> wrote: So the only difference is the SU count? If so, that's quite refreshing. Well, let's see the price first. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Matt Mangriotis <[email protected]> wrote: > Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but here you go! > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model > > > > Read about the applications that I think you might be able to use one of > these (of course, you guys know better than me… so if I messed up on any of > these, or you have any to add, let me know!) > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog > > > > See your resellers to order them. > > > > Matt --
