Because of the backhaul issue you mentioned above is why I am looking at doing Fiber between the towers...
Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > 100 subs on a tower doesnt worry me as much as the backhaul pipe > shrinking. Speed is not the way we convey our sells to a customer. > Local Service and Good dependable service around here is what people want > because most do not understand their capacity needs. > For Example Family of 4 2 smart TVs and some smaller devices. Mom is on > Facebook ,Dad is watching Netflix Kids playing XBOX. > We are able to take care of this with our 5x5. I keep the burst turned up > which helps with those you tubes and face book loads. > No complaints for a year now. Responses we have when call on them for > feed back is that its working great no issues. > Im not here to be another AT&T or Windstream :) > > Businesses are great because we have added services that they love which > takes the burden off them when trying to figure out if > they are having issues in house or if its an outside problem. > > We try to be more customer orientated than focusing on what the other guy > is doing. We stay Aware but not try to out sell them where we cant. > > > > On 03/20/2015 07:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > *nods* This spring (actually, probably sometime in the next couple weeks), > I'll start a trial of running against Comcast and U-Verse. 25/5 and 50/10. > Sure, some won't use it, but some will. Multiple HD video streams per > customer eats into the 100 subs per tower thing really quick. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2015 7:18:48 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > Totally different here. Our standard package is 20x2. We have to compete > with DSL. > Most people dont use that much traffic so we can oversell but speedtest > has to > show this. With streaming traffic is increasing very fast now. > > > > >I have 3 packages from a 3x1,5x5 and a 10x10 for the really demanding. > >We also will do custom beyond this but it requires a PTP link. > >For the most sold is the 5x5 occasionally a 10x10 gets sold. Thats all > residential. The businesses usually start with 5x5. > >Once folks figure out how to use a smart tv and they are on the 3x1 its > evident that they soon need more band width to run those and do facebook at > the same time. > > > >In some areas we are eating local cables lunch and in others uverse. In > areas we have difficulty selling it just takes a few hits before they come > around and figure out that they can save a little >money and have better > service and the chatter starts. > >We will hit churches and give them a better rate and offer a smaller > package if they want that instead. > >Lots of folks talk within a church :) > >We will also hit the outdoor strip malls and board walks and once we have > one in there the others soon follow. > > > >We have more trouble with the multi-dwelling units because of POA or HOA > and landlords. > > > > On 3/19/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > We must sell different services. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"David Milholen" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09:25 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > > > I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I > > say i had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but > > rather wait till final hour > > we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between > > both sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to. > > > > > > > > On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration > > path. I would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS > > gear. > > > > I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so > > terrible, at least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest > > platform move (ePMP) (sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the > > "scale" issues. > > > > People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! > > I don't want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's > > easier to say when you're not paying $3k for them. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *To: *[email protected] > > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > > > Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter? I > > thought you went the ePMP route. > > *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM > > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to > > any network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy. ;-) > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > > > I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network > > with just about any gear out there, but you do need to know what > > you're doing and know the limits of what that gear can do... and > > not having sync makes frequency planning extremely challenging > > after awhile. > > > > I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to > > scale better than anything else that's out there right now, but in > > our area it's pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish > > customers on a sector due to natural limitations... which makes > > wifi based gear a lot more practical. > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear > > they used. My network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been > > running for over 10 years. I've largely ran Mikrotik and > > Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync Bitlomat > > and\or Mimosa when they're ready. > > > > Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy > > because that's the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers > > in the same band within 5 miles that didn't sync with each > > other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban Chicago. Had no > > idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all > > of that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors. > > > > A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP > > that was Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the > > purchasee for several months (maybe a couple years?) because > > they didn't know what they were doing. > > > > There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going > > at least as long as I have... 802.11 based. An area WISP > > aggregator... 802.11 based from what I've seen. > > > > What gear you use has less to do with your success than > > properly engineering a network. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"Craig Schmaderer" <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> > > *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > > > I agree with Kurt. EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but > > I've been doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that > > works for voip, vpn, gaming, reliability, and just dam works > > is cambium 100 to 450. And as for mimosa and AC hardware, i > > hope they have a great product but unless it can do what 450 > > can do for reliable links it has no place in my network. Every > > ubnt wisp that has popped up in my service area has either > > quit or pulled out of my area. > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > > > Wavelinc Communications > > > > P.O. Box 126 > > > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > > > http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > GPS APs? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mar 18, 2015 10:39 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > integrated subscriber models 2.4 and 5ghz, have a > > few of the connectorized for AP's > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > > > Wavelinc Communications > > > > P.O. Box 126 > > > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > > > http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > What hardware? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mar 18, 2015 9:15 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > prob 50 cents on the dollar > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > How much do you want for the ePMP? ;-) > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> > > *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 18, 2015 > > 11:12:28 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite > > - Now Available! > > > > Matt, > > That pricing lines up with what I was > > told by Cambium at the shows. I am > > going to assume that since its MSRP > > that WISPS can buy at 80% of that > > price level so then we are looking at > > $1160.00 for the lite AP and then the > > upgrade key so that is right there > > with what a full-AP would have cost so > > really no price disadvantage to start > > out with the lite-AP. > > This is wonderfull news! I am planning > > on ripping out a bunch of EPMP and > > putting 450 in its place. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > > > Wavelinc Communications > > > > P.O. Box 126 > > > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > > > http://www.wavelinc.com > > <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, > > Mathew Howard <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I was just told $1449 MSRP, and > > $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM, > > Caleb Knauer > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > So the only difference is the > > SU count? If so, that's quite > > refreshing. Well, let's see > > the price first. > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 > > AM, Matt Mangriotis > > < > [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > Not sure if anyone has seen > > this yet, but here you go! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model > > > > > > > > > > > > Read about the applications > > that I think you might be able > > to use one of > > > these (of course, you guys > > know better than me? so if I > > messed up on any of > > > these, or you have any to > > add, let me know!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > See your resellers to order > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.html> > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 26811 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.jpe> > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.jpe> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Davidmvcf.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 26811 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.jpg> > <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.jpg> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Af mailing list > [email protected] > http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Af Digest, Vol 7, Issue 930 > ********************************** > > > > > >
