*nods* This spring (actually, probably sometime in the next couple weeks), I'll start a trial of running against Comcast and U-Verse. 25/5 and 50/10. Sure, some won't use it, but some will. Multiple HD video streams per customer eats into the 100 subs per tower thing really quick.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:18:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! Totally different here. Our standard package is 20x2. We have to compete with DSL. Most people dont use that much traffic so we can oversell but speedtest has to show this. With streaming traffic is increasing very fast now. >I have 3 packages from a 3x1,5x5 and a 10x10 for the really demanding. >We also will do custom beyond this but it requires a PTP link. >For the most sold is the 5x5 occasionally a 10x10 gets sold. Thats all >residential. The businesses usually start with 5x5. >Once folks figure out how to use a smart tv and they are on the 3x1 its >evident that they soon need more band width to run those and do facebook at >the same time. > >In some areas we are eating local cables lunch and in others uverse. In areas >we have difficulty selling it just takes a few hits before they come around >and figure out that they can save a little >money and have better service and >the chatter starts. >We will hit churches and give them a better rate and offer a smaller package >if they want that instead. >Lots of folks talk within a church :) >We will also hit the outdoor strip malls and board walks and once we have one >in there the others soon follow. > >We have more trouble with the multi-dwelling units because of POA or HOA and >landlords. On 3/19/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > We must sell different services. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"David Milholen" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09:25 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I > say i had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but > rather wait till final hour > we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between > both sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to. > > > > On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration > path. I would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS > gear. > > I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so > terrible, at least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest > platform move (ePMP) (sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the > "scale" issues. > > People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! > I don't want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's > easier to say when you're not paying $3k for them. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter? I > thought you went the ePMP route. > *From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to > any network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network > with just about any gear out there, but you do need to know what > you're doing and know the limits of what that gear can do... and > not having sync makes frequency planning extremely challenging > after awhile. > > I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to > scale better than anything else that's out there right now, but in > our area it's pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish > customers on a sector due to natural limitations... which makes > wifi based gear a lot more practical. > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear > they used. My network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been > running for over 10 years. I've largely ran Mikrotik and > Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync Bitlomat > and\or Mimosa when they're ready. > > Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy > because that's the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers > in the same band within 5 miles that didn't sync with each > other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban Chicago. Had no > idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all > of that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors. > > A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP > that was Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the > purchasee for several months (maybe a couple years?) because > they didn't know what they were doing. > > There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going > at least as long as I have... 802.11 based. An area WISP > aggregator... 802.11 based from what I've seen. > > What gear you use has less to do with your success than > properly engineering a network. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Craig Schmaderer" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available! > > I agree with Kurt. EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but > I've been doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that > works for voip, vpn, gaming, reliability, and just dam works > is cambium 100 to 450. And as for mimosa and AC hardware, i > hope they have a great product but unless it can do what 450 > can do for reliable links it has no place in my network. Every > ubnt wisp that has popped up in my service area has either > quit or pulled out of my area. > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > GPS APs? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mar 18, 2015 10:39 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > integrated subscriber models 2.4 and 5ghz, have a > few of the connectorized for AP's > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > What hardware? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mar 18, 2015 9:15 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > prob 50 cents on the dollar > > Sent from my iPhone > Kurt Fankhauser > Wavelinc Communications > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > http://www.wavelinc.com > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > How much do you want for the ePMP? ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 18, 2015 > 11:12:28 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite > - Now Available! > > Matt, > That pricing lines up with what I was > told by Cambium at the shows. I am > going to assume that since its MSRP > that WISPS can buy at 80% of that > price level so then we are looking at > $1160.00 for the lite AP and then the > upgrade key so that is right there > with what a full-AP would have cost so > really no price disadvantage to start > out with the lite-AP. > This is wonderfull news! I am planning > on ripping out a bunch of EPMP and > putting 450 in its place. > > Kurt Fankhauser > > Wavelinc Communications > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > http://www.wavelinc.com > <http://www.wavelinc.com/> > > tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405> > > fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110> > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, > Mathew Howard <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I was just told $1449 MSRP, and > $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP. > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM, > Caleb Knauer > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > So the only difference is the > SU count? If so, that's quite > refreshing. Well, let's see > the price first. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 > AM, Matt Mangriotis > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Not sure if anyone has seen > this yet, but here you go! > > > > > > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model > > > > > > > > > Read about the applications > that I think you might be able > to use one of > > these (of course, you guys > know better than me? so if I > messed up on any of > > these, or you have any to > add, let me know!) > > > > > > > > > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog > > > > > > > > See your resellers to order > them. > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > -- > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/attachments/20150320/eecc9e0a/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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