Too pragmatic for fashion & trendiness? :) I think there's room in the middle for those of us that just want to get things done using whatever works: haul the bits, write the code, and move on.
There's a gulf between Random Joe MSP dude that doesn't know anything about a network beyond what he configures in Active Directory and Tony the ops tiger that testing & tuning things to death and then writing a paper about it. I see a lot of people in the middle with envy for the top and doing the apple thing, but not all of them... On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > What about those who use linux as their "daily driver" on their laptop, > use BSD/vyatta/mikrotik/edgeOS for routing, have a RB2011 at home, a > Ubiquiti CPE to the office, a garage full of various > routers/switches/network devices, multiple android phones, android tablets, > and who buys their wife chromebooks? (which she LOVES btw) > > ...where do I fit in? :( > > > On 2015-05-16 2:33 pm, Jon Auer wrote: > >> You know, I think Chuck is on to something with his Apples vs Dells >> comparison, just with a twist: Apple devices are used by a large >> portion of "the elites" and those that aspire to join them (with some >> obvious limitations e.g. EDA/CAD space). In that sense yes, there's a >> large number of idiots buying them to fit in or for conspicuous >> consumption. >> >> Beyond that, >> >> Everyone I know that is truly excellent in IT (be it ISP,MSP,dev) uses >> a high-res macbook pro and a iphone. Everyone I know that doesn't >> stand out that much or is just punching a clock uses a windows pc. >> >> By truly excellent I mean the people doing things at mind-bending >> scale: event wifi for a stadium of nerds+setup in days+with 4x10G >> internet handoff or leading-edge routing research. >> >> Not trying to be a platform fanboy here. I use & abuse whatever's best >> for the job. Currently rocking: android phone, juniper router, aruba >> wifi, windows pc (because visual studio), high-res macbook pro >> (sidestep the linux systemd/gnome3/whatever bs), and a chromebook >> (serial console, ssh, web browser). >> >> I prefer the chromebook. >> >> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots. >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com [1] >>> >>> ------------------------- >>> >>> FROM: "Brett A Mansfield" <[email protected]> >>> TO: [email protected] >>> SENT: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM >>> SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment >>> >>> >>> I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet, >>> not rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an >>> absolute reason for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best >>> networking tools work best on mac. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal >>>> >>> democrats. >>> >>>> >>>> PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are >>>> >>> for rich conservative republicans. >>> >>>> >>>> Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican >>>> >>> girls (and later cheat with democrat divorcees). >>> >>>> >>>> Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too >>>> >>> poor and stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science. >>> >>>> >>>> Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk >>>> >>> until some republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage. >>> >>>> >>>> Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud, >>>> >>> moonshine and wrestling animals in a swamp. >>> >>>> >>>> Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on >>>> >>> them, hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes. >>> >>>> >>>> Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out >>>> >>> of an old VW. >>> >>>> Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet >>>> >>> d'art symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker. >>> >>>> >>>> And that is why there are so many apple haters here... >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brett A Mansfield >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM >>>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment >>>> >>>> I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at >>>> >>> apple. There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems. >>> >>>> >>>> I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a >>>> >>> lot easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never >>> changes. It's the same for every model. The others change their gui >>> quite frequently. >>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to >>>>> >>>> configure his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular >>> router like a Linksys or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his >>> ISP to provide step-by-step phone support. >>> >>>> >>>>> He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router. >>>>> >>>>> He came back with a TimeMachine. >>>>> >>>>> That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special >>>>> >>>> names for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices. So you >>> don't have a router, you have an AirPort. You don't have an >>> external hard drive, you have a TimeMachine. >>> >>>> >>>>> But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only >>>>> >>>> shop for electronics at the Apple Store. Probably the same people >>> who buy all their groceries at Whole Foods. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment >>>>> >>>>> No doubt. >>>>> >>>>> The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it >>>>> >>>> has to >>> >>>> be some proprietary interface. >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change >>>>>>> >>>>>> the way >>> >>>> the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even >>>>>>> >>>>>> if you >>> >>>> knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole >>>>>>> >>>>>> new ball game. >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Software developers need to do something. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Seth >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://www.ics-il.com >> > > -- > josh reynolds :: chief information officer > spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >
