Both, 

It sounds like you have a timing issue (time out) .... 
I will be more than happy to compare your config with the config we use.... 
(off-list would be better). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 

----- Original Message -----

> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:45:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Freepbx / Cisco SPA504G

> In the phone, or the PBX?
> Also note this it intermittent, the password works maybe 50-70% of the time.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, June 07 , 2015 4:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [AFMUG] Freepbx / Cisco SPA504G
> >>. Even the IVR selections once you are into voicemail work fine. In the
> >>logs, we will see something like you enter 1234 but it thinks you only
> >>enterred 12.
> What is your dialplan string look like....
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
> ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] >
> 
> > To: [email protected]
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 7 , 2015 5:29:26 PM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> 
> > I typically use Cisco SPA504G. Now if someone could just tell me why
> > FreePBX
> > always detects the DTMF correctly for dialing but the voicemail module
> > keeps
> > claiming you enterred the wrong password. No amount of playing with the
> > RFC2833 related options makes any difference, and like I say it is only the
> > voicemail password that gets interpreted wrong. Even the IVR selections
> > once
> > you are into voicemail work fine. In the logs, we will see something like
> > you enter 1234 but it thinks you only enterred 12.
> 
> > I view it as a broken phone issue, because you can only listen to the robot
> > lady say “Password Incorrect ... Password” so many times before you smash
> > the phone, and now it’s definitely broken.
> 
> > And I can see why people want to use Grandstream, price is one, and they
> > have
> > a lot of fancy phones with features and big color screens whereas Cisco
> > phones look just like they did 10 years ago. Banks seem to love Cisco
> > phones. Another brand I see deployed, I assume because of price, is
> > Yealink.
> 
> > From: Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07 , 2015 4:17 PM
> 
> > To: [email protected]
> 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> 
> > So I gather you are not the VOIP service provider ? but you sold them the
> > phones ?
> 
> > Additional out of the box suggestion...
> 
> > If you are / were the VOIP service provider, (i.e you have a revenue stream
> > coming from it), and or you are responsible for maintaining them..... You
> > could potentially consider, offering an upgrade / trade in or even replace
> > so that you don't have to deal with the heartburn related to GrandStream
> > firmware to a better phone....
> 
> > e.g some of the better quality phones polycom's, snom, linksys, cisco etc
> > go
> > for a song on the secondary markets..
> 
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> > Miami, FL 33155
> 
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> 

> > > From: "George Skorup" < [email protected] >
> > 
> 
> > > To: [email protected]
> > 
> 
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 7 , 2015 4:26:22 PM
> > 
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> > 
> 
> > > Nope, nothing personal. Discussion is great, new ideas can come from it.
> > 
> 
> > > As far as the Grandstream phones, we can't tell the customer, sorry,
> > > these
> > > won't work, you have to buy 10-20 new ones, Polycom, Snom, whatever it
> > > may
> > > be. If I was the customer, I'd be saying the same thing.. that's not my
> > > problem because you sold them to me. The reseller says, nope, you have to
> > > work with Grandstream support, and they are completely right. So we're
> > > stuck
> > > in the middle looking like assholes to the customer.
> > 
> 
> > > I'll give this to Cambium 2.0, they are definitely more responsive and
> > > paying
> > > attention.
> > 
> 
> > > On 6/7/2015 1:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > 
> 

> > > > Please don't take this personal, just take it as constructive
> > > > criticism....
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > >> Trying to get the guys to remember to add a bunch of rules in a
> > > > >> radio
> > > > >> probably won't happen.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > I think you may have a QC / installation process issue (aka
> > > > provisioning),
> > > > which you are trying to compensate for.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > >> Maybe I'm a nazi when it comes to the network, but.. don't touch the
> > > > >> network and I won't have to kill you.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Instead of taking this stance, I suggest you look into how to make
> > > > changes
> > > > without someone screwing up something else by mistake.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > (hint.. changing stuff via scripts is one way to do this).
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > >>> It took them a YEAR to fix the stuff we showed them was broken in
> > > > >>> their
> > > > >>> software! But no, we're the asshole to the customer which forces us
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>> hack shit to make it work, and then it's still not up to the
> > > > >>> customer's
> > > > >>> expectations.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Why are you/your customers insisting on using GrandStream phone ?
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Just another suggestion:-
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > We would much rather run a 'standard' based network, and not customize
> > > > these
> > > > types of settings on the Radios.. If we ran into this type of a
> > > > situation,
> > > > we would offer a managed router service (free or nominal charge), and
> > > > or
> > > > use
> > > > a mikrotik router as a dmarc on the customer prem, and do all the funny
> > > > business customization on that.
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Regards
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > From: "George Skorup" mailto:[email protected]
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 7 , 2015 2:24:36 PM
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Right. As I said, I've never had to change any of the DiffServ code
> > > > > points
> > > > > on
> > > > > any Canopy radio. Trying to get the guys to remember to add a bunch
> > > > > of
> > > > > rules
> > > > > in a radio probably won't happen. It's easier for me to tell them to
> > > > > just
> > > > > turn on HP. Maybe I'm a nazi when it comes to the network, but..
> > > > > don't
> > > > > touch
> > > > > the network and I won't have to kill you.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > Anyway.. the new Grandstream firmware, how awesome is this.. the SIP
> > > > > QoS
> > > > > default is DSCP 26, which is LP on Canopy. Knowing that, I DO NOT
> > > > > want
> > > > > the
> > > > > guys touching the DiffServ code points in the radios. It's easier to
> > > > > configure the phones with SIP DSCP 12 and RTP DSCP 46. To accommodate
> > > > > the
> > > > > stupid/broken devices, I already have other rules on the network that
> > > > > prioritizes SIP as 12 and RTP as 46. I like standards. OK, my
> > > > > standards.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > On 6/7/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > Works on Canopy, though.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 7 , 2015 at 1:56 PM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > Having only half listened to the thread, it sounds like broken
> > > > > > > Grandstream
> > > > > > > VoIP is broke on ePMP.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 7 , 2015 12:54:29 PM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > For this use case (QoS on VoIP):
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Cambium Canopy works
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Cambium ePMP does not work
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Seems that simple to me.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 7 , 2015 at 11:11 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > BTW, the latest firmware for GXP 2160 is 1.0.4.23 (did a google
> > > > > > > > search),
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the admin manual shows two settings for L3 QOS (one for SIP and
> > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > RTP)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > EPMP QOS allows you to modify the default settings to over-ride
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > taste.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > If I understand your 'complaint' you are dealing with f**ed up
> > > > > > > > GrandStream
> > > > > > > > Phones, and you want Cambium to Change the Default handling of
> > > > > > > > VOIP
> > > > > > > > QoS
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > match your needs ?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Now that does not make any logical sense...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > The default setup for QoS Voip on EPMP is perfectly fine for
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > devices which follow the industry standard of VOIP/Video packet
> > > > > > > > marking.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Unless there is something that I am totally missing, I think
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > out your frustrations with GrandStream on Cambium !
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
> > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > From: "George Skorup" < [email protected] >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 7 , 2015 3:06:27 AM
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > The 1.0.4.17 firmware for the GXP phones (we have mostly
> > > > > > > > > 2160s
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > 30s and 40s) cannot be downgraded since it contains a
> > > > > > > > > security
> > > > > > > > > fix.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > have a couple phones that are now fk'n stuck on that because
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > We're running an internal engineering build on some phones
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > for their screwed up SIP message handling and corrupt
> > > > > > > > > outgoing
> > > > > > > > > messages.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > Some phones we have not upgraded from 1.0.3.9 because it
> > > > > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > > works.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > None of those firmwares allows separate SIP and RTP QOS.
> > > > > > > > > We're
> > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > testing and validation of 1.0.4.23 with our switch vendor
> > > > > > > > > currently,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > which does do the split QoS. About half of the bug fixes
> > > > > > > > > listed
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > .21/.23 release notes were ours. Just have to wait and see
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > shit is broken now.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > But besides all that, I have other phones and ATAs (both
> > > > > > > > > Grandstream
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > not) that refuse to send SIP with anything other than DSCP12,
> > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > it's configurable. I don't really care if SIP is sent with AF
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > RTP
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > EF, that's perfectly acceptable. RTP should be higher
> > > > > > > > > priority
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > SIP
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > anyway. Standard DiffServ config supports this just fine. So
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > far
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > the network is concerned, I have to support AF and EF, and
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > that. All I was saying is that Cambium should do this out of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > box
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > ePMP if you turn on VoIP priority. This is what happens on
> > > > > > > > > Canopy
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > you turn on HP on an SM, both DSCP12 and 46 end up in the HP
> > > > > > > > > channel.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > On 6/7/2015 1:11 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know what grandstream devices you are looking at,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > 21xx
> > > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > > and the other Linux and android based phones don't have
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > > Neither does the asterisk based UCMs, such as the 6104.
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> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 6 , 2015 8:17 PM, George Skorup < [email protected]
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> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > >> I disagree. This is exactly what Canopy does. DSCP12/AF is
> > > > > > > > > >> sent
> > > > > > > > > >> over
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> > > > > > > > > >> HP channel. Look at the default DiffServ table and see for
> > > > > > > > > >> yourself.
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> > > > > > > > > >> Many managed switches are set up exactly the same way,
> > > > > > > > > >> except
> > > > > > > > > >> they
> > > > > > > > > >> have
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> > > > > > > > > >> more queues, and Canopy only has MIR and HP. Well, there's
> > > > > > > > > >> LP
> > > > > > > > > >> CIR,
> > > > > > > > > >> but
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > >> lets not get into that. ePMP just has "priority" which I
> > > > > > > > > >> assume
> > > > > > > > > >> means
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> > > > > > > > > >> priority over everything else.
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> > > > > > > > > >> I need a way to correct stupid manufacturer's mistakes
> > > > > > > > > >> (Grandstream
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> > > > > > > > > >> being the worst offender). Lots of their devices ALWAYS
> > > > > > > > > >> send
> > > > > > > > > >> SIP
> > > > > > > > > >> packets
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> > > > > > > > > >> as DSCP12 and this CANNOT be changed. Or the other one I
> > > > > > > > > >> mentioned,
> > > > > > > > > >> the
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> > > > > > > > > >> GXP phones have one DSCP setting and this changes both SIP
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >> RTP.
> > > > > > > > > >> I'm
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> > > > > > > > > >> disgusted with their stupidity, but unfortunately it has
> > > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > > >> supported
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> > > > > > > > > >> because those devices aren't going away.
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> > > > > > > > > >> It's totally doable and Cambium could add it by default,
> > > > > > > > > >> saving
> > > > > > > > > >> me
> > > > > > > > > >> time
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> > > > > > > > > >> configuring every radio with it. Or just make DiffServ on
> > > > > > > > > >> ePMP
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> > > > > > > > > >> work/configure like Canopy.
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> > > > > > > > > >> I don't care what's wrong or right. I care about shit
> > > > > > > > > >> working
> > > > > > > > > >> right
> > > > > > > > > >> now
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> > > > > > > > > >> and customers not being pissy.
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> > > > > > > > > >> So the burden falls on the network as usual. It's always
> > > > > > > > > >> our
> > > > > > > > > >> fault.
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> > > > > > > > > >> Sometimes I just don't know how I haven't murdered people.
> > > > > > > > > >> If
> > > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > > >> drank,
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> > > > > > > > > >> it would probably happen. And I'm finding myself agreeing
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> > > > > > > > > >> one
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> > > > > > > > > >> guy Steve every other day now. Stupidity has no limit.
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> > > > > > > > > >> On 6/6/2015 10:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Yo Cambium, you need to add DSCP 12 (Assured Forwarding)
> > > > > > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > > > > > >>>> addition
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> DSCP 46 (Expedited Forwarding) to the default VoIP
> > > > > > > > > >>>> priority
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> configuration.
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> > > > > > > > > >>> That would be a mistake and the wrong thing to do.
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> > > > > > > > > >>>
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> We're finding more devices sending SIP packets as AF and
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> RTP as EF.
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> > > > > > > > > >>> When a device is mis-configured, why should the burden of
> > > > > > > > > >>> dealing
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> > > > > > > > > >>> that mis-configurtion as a default fall on another device
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> > > > > > > > > >>> There is plenty of flexibility to override the wrong
> > > > > > > > > >>> setup
> > > > > > > > > >>> of
> > > > > > > > > >>> a
> > > > > > > > > >>> device,
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> > > > > > > > > >>> if that is they way you want to correct it in your
> > > > > > > > > >>> radios...
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> > > > > > > > > >>> (Which by all standards would be the wrong way to fix
> > > > > > > > > >>> it...but
> > > > > > > > > >>> more
> > > > > > > > > >>> power
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> > > > > > > > > >>> to you).
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Two wrongs don't make a right..
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Regards.
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Faisal Imtiaz
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> > > > > > > > > >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Miami, FL 33155
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> > > > > > > > > >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
> > > > > > > > > >>> [email protected]
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> > > > > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> From: "George Skorup" < [email protected] >
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> To: [email protected]
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 6 , 2015 10:27:05 PM
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP VoIP QoS
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Yo Cambium, you need to add DSCP 12 (Assured Forwarding)
> > > > > > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > > > > > >>>> addition
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> DSCP 46 (Expedited Forwarding) to the default VoIP
> > > > > > > > > >>>> priority
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> configuration. We're finding more devices sending SIP
> > > > > > > > > >>>> packets
> > > > > > > > > >>>> as
> > > > > > > > > >>>> AF
> > > > > > > > > >>>> and
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> RTP as EF. AF isn't prioritized and out-of-band
> > > > > > > > > >>>> signaling
> > > > > > > > > >>>> (prompts,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> etc)
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> are sent as SIP messages so sometimes these are getting
> > > > > > > > > >>>> dropped,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> not
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> mention registrations, invites, etc. And more devices
> > > > > > > > > >>>> are
> > > > > > > > > >>>> stupid
> > > > > > > > > >>>> (mostly
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Grandstream), they only let you set ONE priority value
> > > > > > > > > >>>> for
> > > > > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > > > > >>>> entire
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> device. These are coming default as DSCP12/AF. I've
> > > > > > > > > >>>> tried
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > > > > > >>>> get
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> everyone to change this to 46, but they don't remember.
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> Or just apply the whole Canopy DiffServ table. We've
> > > > > > > > > >>>> never
> > > > > > > > > >>>> had
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > > > > > >>>> change
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> > > > > > > > > >>>> any of those code points. Turn HP on, it just works.
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