If you’re supposed to have –51 but actually have –66 on one chain and –77 on 
the other, you’re on a sidelobe or don’t have clear LOS or are so badly 
misaligned you’re operating on multipath.  So it may be unfair to say that AF5X 
is requiring “perfect alignment”.  The dBm level may not be telling the whole 
story, if you aren’t even in the right zipcode as far as alignment.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:28 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links

Let's assume it is misaligned (based on what Alex said it should be something 
like -51).  AF5x can't register unless it's perfectly aligned?  That's the part 
that concerns me the most.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hardy <[email protected]> wrote:

  Technically, the support files said  

                    status: slave-registering
                   rxpower0: -66
                   rxpower1: -77
                 rxcapacity: 3840

  In most cases, this kind of chain imbalance means alignment or bad pigtail. 
We know Josh Luthman knows how to align radios ;), so still waiting to see if 
replacing it with a spare fixes it. 
  If it does, this would be the first case we've heard about w/ these symptoms, 
and thousands have been installed successfully, with great feedback.

  Either way, let us know what you find...

  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    Support files said the slave heard the master at -66.  Doubt it.

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373

    On Jun 11, 2015 8:13 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:

      New EIRP rules biting you in the ass?

      From: Josh Luthman 
      Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 PM
      To: [email protected] 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links

      EPTP mode fills the latency fix.

      My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register.  I'm trying to 
replace Rockets that link up at -66.  I'm told that there's a path issue or bad 
radio.

      Josh Luthman
      Office: 937-552-2340
      Direct: 937-552-2343
      1100 Wayne St
      Suite 1337
      Troy, OH 45373

      On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:

        Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap PTP 
with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs, not PTP) 
operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link with Laird 2' dishes 
using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than some oddities like intermittent 
increases in latency, they have all been working very well. Most are still 
running 2.3.3 and I don't want to touch them because they're working just fine. 
I'm leaning towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for 
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff (power 
injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do FDD (except the 5X!) 
and get very low latency like licensed.


        On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

          Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.

          Josh Luthman
          Office: 937-552-2340
          Direct: 937-552-2343
          1100 Wayne St
          Suite 1337
          Troy, OH 45373

          On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, "joseph marsh" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

            I got 2 links ready to deploy  just sitting the office waiting to 
go up on the tower 

            On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

              Uhm...I guess?  It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.

              Josh Luthman
              Office: 937-552-2340
              Direct: 937-552-2343
              1100 Wayne St
              Suite 1337
              Troy, OH 45373

              On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                Does the force auto select a clean frequency?

                On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

                  containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router 
from walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.


                  On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                    You mean connectorized?

                    bp
                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> 


                    On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                      The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput







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