Chuck started this thread. Sometimes I picture Chuck as a kid being questioned by an adult as to why he did what he did responding "just to watch it burn" On Oct 11, 2015 10:53 AM, "Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It’s mesmerizing to watch the scooter traffic in Rome. A bit like red > blood cells jostling around in the blood stream towards some destination. > > > > Patrick Leary, Telrad > > 727-501-3735 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:14 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > > > I love Puerto Rico because you don’t signal on lane changes on the > freeways. > > > > (Worst place I ever drove was Athens, Manhattan is a country road by > comparison). > > > > *From:* Patrick Leary <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:36 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > > > I lived in Germany. There, people pay good money to earn the privilege to > drive. You must be 18 and it costs well over a grand. As a result, German > drivers are predictable. You’ll never see a German driver passing on the > right. You’ll never see a German driver holding up traffic in a left or > even middle lane. You won’t see a German change lanes without using their > indicator. And of course, Germans respect that government has a job and is > not the enemy, so they don’t reject taxation for infrastructure. As a > result, Germany has MUCH better roads than we do. Seriously. The German > autobahn is twice as thick and better banked. To be fair, we have thousands > of miles more of Interstate, so we do have a harder job. Still. Also, you > can’t drive a jalopy in Germany, which has strict inspection rules, that > even include aesthetics, but the emphasis is on safe functioning. > > > > We can’t realistically have the same regime though, we have much larger > distances and lots of backroads and farms and country roads. I think we > don’t need the same standard of road, but we do need roads that are > well-maintained, and we need much better driving skills. Our cops should > focus less on cherry-picking speed traps (many areas here in FL are > nationally famous for bullshit speed traps – e.g. Waldo, FL) and more on > ticketing bad drivers. > > > > Driver etiquette is the real differentiator between the U.S. and Germany. > A German won’t say, “I’m driving the speed limit so screw you, go around.” > Germans, like other Europeans, understand they have a civic responsibility. > Too many Americans reject civic responsibility as being “against freedom” > and “un-American.” The closest parallel in the U.S. to how the Germans > behave is the Mormon population, which places a very high premium on civic > responsibility, public dignity, decency, the idea of body politic as one > functioning unit. The concept of the Hive (ergo, Chuck’s Beehive). > > > > - Patrick > > > > *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:32 PM > *To:* af <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > > > What's right for one country, isn't necessarily right for another. While I > would love to be able to drive as fast I think is safe, knowing how the > typical American drives, I'd guess that it would be far more deadly here > than in Germany. I suspect the same logic applies to other stuff to some > extent. > > On Oct 10, 2015 11:05 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Countrys with weak gun control have more shot people. Simple logic in my > eyes. > > Nothing to say against if the majority of a country takes this into > account. Just strange in > > the eyes of a foreign citizen. > > In my country you can buy a BMW and drive as fast as you think it is ok on > highways. > > this kills, too. Same arguments here. It is the freedom to drive. > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 10. Oktober 2015 16:47 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > > > Except that most mass shootings are done with weapons that were obtained > in circumstances that even the most strict of control laws would allow. The > weapons painted as being so evil just plain aren't used in these situations. > > Logic doesn't lead you to gun control. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Darin Steffl" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:12:08 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > I carry a .380 pistol with me most of the time but I only own three guns > myself. I also consider myself to have many Democratic views when it comes > to gun policy and Republican views with taxes & business aspects. > > > > I personally think it should be MUCH harder to purchase a firearm than it > is. When I purchased my new glock, I ordered it online at Gander Mountain > and walked into the store, they did a quick background check and I walked > out in 10 minutes. It was great to me as a consumer and easy. BUT, what if > I was angry or in the heat of the moment and wanted to harm people. Now > that easy gun purchase allowed me to walk out the same day with a deadly > weapon. > > > > I do not think our government is trying to take guns away as the crazy > Republicans like to lie about. I do think we should have much stricter gun > control though to keep the nutty people from having easy access. All that > is going to do is make it take longer to purchase a legal firearm, which I > am perfectly fine with if it prevents even one shooting death or mass > shooting. > > > > If there's other policies being proposed that can help limit access to > guns, I'm all for it if it still allows me to purchase a pistol to carry > legally and a shotgun to go hunting. I don't believe I should be allowed to > own a machine gun type weapon for use at my home. Weapons like that should > be allowed only at shooting ranges and locked up under heavy security. They > do not belong at a residential home anywhere for sport or home protection. > > > > So anyway, I think there are gun nuts out there that like to walk around > while open carrying and say Obama is trying to steal all our guns. I think > they're crazy and need a bonk on the head to come to your senses. Try > acting normal and conceal your weapon, don't talk like a crazy gun nut and > try to realize you don't need a machine gun. > > > > The government's job is to protect as many citizens as possible. That > means more laws, more enforcement, and more compliance. We can't easily > identify and stop all people who will commit a shooting crime. We can more > easily target guns themselves and prevent the sale of them to as many "bad" > people as possible. For "good" and legal people who want to buy one, stop > complaining about gun control and embrace it in order to help save lives. > Gun control isn't meant for good people, only the bad people. You'll still > be able to buy any weapon you "need" in order to hunt or protect your home. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Gino Villarini <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free > all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole > reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in > US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the > statistics for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be > very restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club > and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is > silly esp. with kids around. > > You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I > need a weapon I call for police or security. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Darin Steffl > > Minnesota WiFi > > www.mnwifi.com > > 507-634-WiFi > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > >
