I don't understand why anyone would voluntarily take responsibility for managing netgear crap... If you're going to have a residential customer you can take two approaches:
1) "Here is the demarc. Plug you 100BaseTX or 1000BaseT thing in here and you will get a DHCP address. Your router and your home LAN is entirely your responsibility" or 2) Full managed network where you control the SOHO router. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Jason Pond <[email protected]> wrote: > Ken, > > If you are going to manage the network then manage the whole network. As > Steve said you do need to be using the right product. The problem is > between the netgear devices and the Customer WiFi devices. Having them > have ALL 4 SSID's in their device and it being able to see them all at the > same time is causing the problem. We see this frequently from netgear dual > band routers when the client connects to both 2G ang 5G networks. > > Unifi is one of the better solution that is affordable on the market > today. I use it in my house (which does require 2 ap's for coverage) and > it works great. I can stream music or watch video through the whole house > and not miss a beat when my device switches AP's and it is all the same > SSID so less confusion on the customer side of things. > > This problem is getting worse and worse with dual band routers and I see > it a lot with Netgear products. > > Sincerely, > > Jason Pond > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What we have here is a failure to communicate? I’m not understanding >> Josh’s suggestion, you mean do 4 SSIDs? >> >> Currently WAP1 has SSIDs Office and Office-5G. WAP2 has SSIDs TVRoom and >> TVRoom-5G. So there are already 4 SSIDs. >> >> But each WAP is fed from an Ethernet port on the Mikrotik. And when a >> wireless client moves between WAPs, it is moving between Mikrotik ports. I >> believe the 5 minute ageing time on the Mikrotik bridge means that MAC >> address persists on the original port for 5 minutes after it has appeared >> on another port. Maybe I’m wrong about this, but that’s what appears to be >> happening. The Bridge table shows the MAC address only on one port, but >> the traffic makes me believe it is actually being flooded to both ports. >> This doesn’t really seem right to me. On a switch, I would expect a MAC >> address to move pretty quickly to the new port, or if it isn’t in the table >> at all, to be flooded to all ports. >> >> And yes I don’t think the customer needs 2 WAPs to cover his house, but >> the customer is always right. And the Mikrotik is leased/managed, the >> Netgears he owns. But I get sucked into it because ... well, do I really >> have to explain? >> >> >> *From:* Paul McCall <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:37 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports >> >> >> +1 on Josh’s suggestions >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:27 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports >> >> >> >> Nope, you already have my suggestion. >> >> Can you try your idea of a 10s timeout? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Oct 22, 2015 12:28 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There are 4 SSIDs. But customer has each device “join” each SSID. I >> expected the devices to pick one SSID and stay with it down to 1 bar, but >> they seem very fickle. >> >> >> >> Or are you saying make all the SSIDs the same? I don’t think it matters, >> there are 4 wireless networks, even if they are all named the same. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports >> >> >> >> Why not do 4 SSIDs? Add the profiles once and then done. >> >> I think your issue is probably the APs, not the bridge/switch part but it >> doesn't really help. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Oct 21, 2015 11:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have a customer who insisted he needed 2 dual band wireless APs 25 feet >> apart in his ranch house. So we have a managed non-WiFi Mikrotik RB2011 in >> his basement, feeding two Netgear routers in wireless AP mode. I have the >> LAN ports bridged rather than using the switch chips, since there's plenty >> of CPU power and it gives more visibility into the traffic. >> >> So counting 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, the customer has 4 SSIDs and I think his >> devices like iPads are jumping back and forth between networks. And I >> think bad things are happening because the bridging table can't keep track >> of which port the clients are on. I see weird things like the same amount >> of traffic going out the ports to both wireless APs. I never see a MAC >> address on both bridge ports, but it is acting like the Mikrotik is >> flooding traffic to both ports. >> >> Should I be tweaking parameters like reducing the ageing time below the >> default 5 minutes? Should I be using the switch chips and not bridging? >> >> Is this a typical problem when devices can choose between multiple APs >> close together on the same bridged LAN? >> > >
