Thats what I want, footprintish of a smartjack Trying to even find these mikrotiks is beginning to frustrate me, the same model number appears to be different products both in form and spec between vendors. The cheapest our purchaser has been quoted from our normal vendors on RB951G-2HND is 90 bucks
I wonder if you could do something like this metarouter thing for unused ports on a demarc unit that just redirects all traffic on those ports to a rickroll On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > When using it as a demarc for a small business, we mounted it to the wall > and labeled it “ISP Demarc” with ISP name on Eth1 and customer name on > Eth2. Similar to a SmartJack shelf or an IAD. People look at a 751 and > think it’s a jack or a modem, not a router anyway. We also put a sticker > on it “Property of <ISP>”. > > The problem is computer consultants, in fact I just got off the phone with > one having a hissy fit because we replaced a Frontier DSL modem with a > managed RB2011 and he insists on being able to make changes. I told him > the customer is welcome to have you put in a router/firewall for them and > then you can manage it, but not our managed router. It also drives guys > installing things like security cameras and POS terminals crazy they can’t > just bring up a web GUI on 192.168.1.1 and guess the password. We turn off > all IP services except Winbox. > > To the computer consultants, it can be a real turf issue. I don’t see > why. The customer can pay them to install and manage a router, that’s > money in their pocket. In some cases I think the subtext is they are > getting kickbacks for recommending ISPs and don’t like the customer > ordering service directly from one of the ISPs that doesn’t kick back a > commission or recurring revenue. I sometimes wonder if even the telcos do > this, otherwise I can’t figure out why some of the computer guys recommend > Frontier. > > > *From:* Adam Moffett <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 1:51 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik > > In my previous life, we liked the 450G with the plain unlabeled case from > Baltic Networks and wall mount brackets. It seemed people were less likely > to play around with a black box mounted on the wall than with a desktop > router. > > On 10/26/2015 12:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > We have used the RB750G or RB750 for a business demarc device. Often with > a routed /29 on the customer side (business IT guys are trained to ask for > 5 public IPs whether they need them or not). > > I think the hEX and hEX Lite are the replacements for those. > > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 11:49 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik > > We bridge to the router. The 2011 are all big. I only need a couple ports > at most available to the customer on the business side in most cases as > they have their own firewall, I would just like the CPE router (not CPE > radio) to be able to be a part of our L3 network when the need arises. this > is more a demarc device on those business customers, for managed routers on > our contract support customers we do Fortigate UTMs. I dont mind two > devices to keep the separation between church and state. Contract services > is a component that could leave our jurisdiction and I dont want to have > taken liberties on the ISP network that would conflict with a third party > IT taking over > > An example business customer im dealing with right now is a bank. they > have 3 branches on our network A B C and two off our network D and E. We > are their contract IT also. > > A B and C have us as their primary provider, A is their main branch. D > have a cable connection with a DSL backup as well as a PtP t1 to A. E has > cable/dsl as well. A B and C are all on our PmP wireless network for all > intents and purposes (we have them on pmp solutions until saturation then > move them to PtP), and we are turning up a 3rd party ptp fiber circuit > between A and our NOC (they use our IP space). Our wireless having more > capacity than the fiber contract. > > Their main branch, A gets to our noc via a licensed hop then an air fiber, > each of those have backup 5ghz link. There is also an alt path on our > network from the licensed link via another licensed link to our second > provider (no bgp at present) and i am putting in an EOIP tunnel from > provider 2 back to provider 1 to be able to keep their IP space in play(it > is what it is). So in essence they have three paths to egress with multiple > redundancies. > > I am planning on MPLS between their three on network sites, hence the need > for demarcation between us and their fortigates. > > If I can do this with a 50 dollar router that we keep on hand for > residential CPE as well, that makes me happy. > > > Is this convoluted enough? > > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> We use RB951G-2HnD. Yes it costs a few bucks more, but it’s worth it to >> stock one router, and it has been very reliable. If we were going through >> boatloads of them, I guess we might look at stocking more models to save a >> few bucks. >> >> For businesses that need more wired ports, or installations where we >> think we need external antennas, we use RB2011UiAS-2HnD-N. We also have a >> few CRS125 models out there, like as a demarc for multiple tenants. >> >> I am debating whether to look at the new Cambium models, mainly to get an >> 802.11ac product, but integrating the POE and ATA functions would simplify >> wiring for residential customers. Just not sure it would let us manage the >> VoIP function the way we like, also not sure I want to give up the outboard >> POE with surge protection. >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 10:38 AM >> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik >> >> Router? Rb2011 are great and about $100. The 951 is cheaper for the >> residents. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> back looking at a cpe mikrotik, I would prefer to stock one unit for >>> residential and business customers, I just dont know what can actually >>> handle what reliably. >>> >>> For the residential side, not much more than the equivalent of a ubnt >>> air router, at that price point, i think at one point we were paying 29 a >>> piece for 20 packs or something to that effect, i dont know if thats still >>> accurate. >>> >>> on the business customer side it may need to participate in OSPF and >>> MPLS/EOIP, wireless not being required. >>> >>> I would prefer Gigabit Ethernet, SPF not a requirement for the standard >>> drop device. >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
