Though I was only asking what options there were. I was asking where the water was, not for you to take me to it.
Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ken, Did that come off like a sales pitch? If it was, I guess it would have > been for someone else. Based on the previous emails, I was pretty sure it was > going to piss him off, but at least he might see the benefit of getting a > real system in place, even if it was a competitor. Horse, water, it's up to > you. But who want's advice from an 8 year wisp veteran who now runs a WISP > Billing and Management Platform, especially when you are asking about it? > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You then went on to give me unsolicited advice as if to tell me how to be >> > running my business. >> >> Brett, if you are going to be offended any time a vendor makes the case for >> what his product can do for you, then you are going to be offended a lot. >> >> You don’t have to buy his product or even his logic, but don’t get mad >> because he gives you his sales pitch. If a prospective customer isn’t >> interested in your Internet service because dialup or Hughesnet or his >> neighbor’s WiFi meets his needs, or maybe he questions why he even needs to >> use the Internet, would you walk away? Or try to paint the picture of how >> he would benefit if he used your service? >> >> It’s the chapter in Sales 101 called “Overcoming Objections”. >> >> >> From: Brett A Mansfield >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 3:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >> >> The research I did was very extensive. Wispmon in particular has their >> pricing right on their website (which I love by the way. I wish everyone >> would). >> >> You say that billing is the most important part of my business. I >> respectfully disagree. It is actually one of the least important. The >> product I'm selling is by far the most important, and the customer service >> is next. Billing only happens after the first two are met. >> >> You mentioned several other things: >> >> "I'm curious to what other systems you have in place that handle things like >> mapping, monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect qualification, >> inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble tickets, >> scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, reporting, and >> more in addition to billing?" >> >> With the small size of my company this is all very easily managed with >> simple (and free) spreadsheets. So this argument is irrelevant to me. When >> I get to a size where it is no longer easily managed, then and only then >> will I start to pay for a service that can provide that (it will not be >> until then that my business can afford to pay for it). >> >> You then offer advice to pay for this stuff from the beginning. Not everyone >> is going to model their business in the way you think or society thinks it >> should be. My business model is very, very different from the norm. It's >> people that deviate from the "accepted standard", the ones that think >> outside the box, that tend to do really well. My idea of success and my idea >> of what and how a business should operate are not the same as yours. >> >> Billing is something that should not be this difficult and expensive. Why >> should I pay 5% of my revenue to someone that does nearly nothing??? If I >> take what wispmon charges, add that to what it cost me to run a payment, and >> then take out my operating costs, the likelihood of there being much left is >> very low. The credit card companies already steal almost 3% before I even >> pay the gateway company. Why are there so many different people involved to >> make is to I can collect $45 from my customer? >> >> I really like what stripe, swipe, and PayPal have done by basically taking >> one of the people out of that. The only problem is that they aren't set up >> well for monthly recurring payments. That is what I intend to close the gap >> on. >> >> Anyone who charges by the sub or has a monthly minimum so high that it isn't >> worth it does not have a business model I agree with. >> >> I had seriously considered wispmon, but quickly ruled them out as soon as I >> realized that you charge more for BYO Merchant account. I already have a >> merchant account and have no interest in paying $200 to sign up for a new >> one I have no experience with, or pay en extra $0.30 per sub per month >> because I want to use someone I already use and trust. >> >> Another problem with Wispmon is that the main website looks like it was >> built by using someone's free template that was simply modified old using >> basic HTML code. If that is the impression I get from the main website, what >> kind of product could they possibly be giving me? Will it look good? Will it >> be based on old code too? Will it be easy to use? Too many questions right >> off the bat. I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, just saying that >> perception is reality. My first impression wasn't good, so that sets the >> tone for the rest. >> >> You then went on to give me unsolicited advice as if to tell me how to be >> running my business. My question was not why I should or shouldn't do >> something, it was simply what options are out there. I've asked this >> question several times and have done very extensive research on several >> products. I didn't go that deep into wispmon because of my very first >> impressions. And now after the email you sent out I will never consider it >> again in the future. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious what your review consisted of? To my knowledge, you never >>> contacted us to ask any questions even after an offlist invitation. It >>> seems if you are going to the trouble of creating something new, you would >>> at least perform an exhaustive analysis meaning you are talking to someone >>> to ask questions. I understand you think that perhaps the most important >>> piece of your business should be free or close to it, but is that really >>> where you want to skimp? Having owned a wisp for 8 years starting in 2003 >>> and sold to JAB in 2010, and actually been where you think you are now, >>> when there really were few platforms available, I would have jumped at the >>> chance to pay under $1 (or maybe slightly more) per sub to have all the >>> capability that most of the current systems currently have. I'm curious to >>> what other systems you have in place that handle things like mapping, >>> monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect qualification, >>> inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble tickets, >>> scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, reporting, and >>> more in addition to billing? If you are using separate systems for all of >>> these things, then it is probably costing you more than what you would pay >>> for a single platform which does all of these things. I know you say you >>> are small and if you are doing all of these things manually or with >>> multiple platforms, there will be a day when that won't scale and you will >>> either be killing yourself trying to keep up, or spending far more than you >>> think to make it all work. My advice would be to do a bit more real >>> research before you dig into rolling your own. Talk to people who have been >>> in your shoes and were adverse to spending money on a good system. I tell >>> people who are evaluating different systems, that even if they don't choose >>> us, choose one of the ones out there. If you are just getting started, it >>> is the best decision you will make. It is much easier to get in at the >>> beginning than to convert later. The hardest part of being a self-starting >>> entrepreneur is knowing when to let go of certain things and either pay >>> someone to do them, or pay to get them out of the way so you can get down >>> to growing your business. This I know for sure, as it is the hardest part >>> for me. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Brett A Mansfield >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> To be clear, this will not be a standard in any way. It's just to fill a >>>> need where I see one. Something for the little guys like myself. This will >>>> not be a solution for those big customers since it will be limited to >>>> billing/CRM. >>>> >>>> I'm not doing this for profit. I'm doing this on the side and the numbers >>>> should make it break even. >>>> >>>> Eric, I really like that comic strip, it is exactly what I was thinking >>>> when I thought of doing this. Haha. >>>> >>>> There is NOTHING on the market like it though. Something that works, that >>>> is nearly free, that is for the very small guys where every single penny >>>> counts. >>>> >>>> If nobody in the world uses this system but me, then I'll still feel it >>>> was worth my time. My partners are volunteering their time and so am I, so >>>> our cost will be very low to develop this. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good luck. It certainly has been tried before... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> So, after a lot of review of every billing solution I can find out >>>>>> there, I've come to the conclusion that there is no good billing system. >>>>>> Everything out there either requires you use their merchant, has a >>>>>> minimum monthly cost, or isn't really designed for the ISP. Even the >>>>>> stuff that has come out most recently isn't a good fit. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those of you who are smaller and don't want to pay a monthly >>>>>> minimum, or want to use your choice of merchant, or don't want to pay a >>>>>> per user charge, something new will be coming soon! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've spoken to a few proven software engineers in the financial side of >>>>>> things and we are partnering up to develop a new ISP billing software. >>>>>> It will be turnkey, very easy to use, and can be deployed either by you >>>>>> on your servers, or can be hosted on ours. It will only handle >>>>>> billing/invoicing and CRM/ticketing. Best of all, it's practically free! >>>>>> >>>>>> More details to come. I'll keep you posted when we have more info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Welcome to 2014? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 1:32:33 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ubiquiti has a CRM? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/7/2015 2:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>>>>>> It's funny you mentioned waveapps. That is what I started out with. It >>>>>>> was a disaster. And the fact they don't allow multiple email addresses >>>>>>> for recurring invoices was a major deal breaker for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've since moved to UBNTs airCRM. It is an excellent setup on paper, >>>>>>> but is seriously lacking currently and is very erratic. I need >>>>>>> something solid, secure, and that I don't have to worry about all the >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Plat has excellent support >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my opinion, the problems with plat are: >>>>>>> 1) The user interface is a pain in the butt and generally discouraging. >>>>>>> 2) The software depends on a Windows platform and even worse direct >>>>>>> database connections from the client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) In most places when you want to alter something like customer data >>>>>>> you have to click on the field to edit from a table and then go to the >>>>>>> top to make the change in something that is like an address bar… of >>>>>>> course you can get used to this but Plat is full of non-user friendly >>>>>>> quirks like this. It reminds me of what it feels like to go back and >>>>>>> use Windows 95 or Windows 3.1 when I am used to modern operating >>>>>>> systems. The system feels almost like directly editing a database >>>>>>> except that the software does enforce logical edits so it is not nearly >>>>>>> as dangerous as direct database minupulation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) If you want to run a good highly available platform then you will be >>>>>>> spending a lot on software licensing with Microsoft. What is the going >>>>>>> rate for a MSSQL cluster now of days? Of course you can throw this on >>>>>>> old rusty crusty in a closet and run the free version of MSSQL but we >>>>>>> are carriers not hacks right? Also you are depending on ODBC database >>>>>>> connections between your clients and the server. Opening direct >>>>>>> database connections to my billing server gives me the creeps even if >>>>>>> it is only open to a network under my administration. I’m a fan of >>>>>>> local host db access only except for database peers. I would really >>>>>>> like to see ISP billing software be web based using standard https >>>>>>> protocols and having no client side dependencies like >>>>>>> odbc configurations and client executables. Try using Plat on a >>>>>>> tablet… I don’t want my billing platform holding back my ability to >>>>>>> creatively design my installation process… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel like I am ragging on Plat… maybe I am a bit but I want to >>>>>>> underscore their support. They are truly exceptional to work with and >>>>>>> you can rely on their platform. Just don’t expect to enjoy using it. >>>>>>> If you like function over form then you may be a perfect match for >>>>>>> Plat… I just wish they would do some magic to address the above two >>>>>>> complaints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My recommendation to them is to become database & OS agnostic (at least >>>>>>> MySQL or MSSQL and run on Apache) and to make the client interface be >>>>>>> 100% standards compliment browser based. I suspect if they don’t do >>>>>>> this they will find themselves with a EOL product in the next few years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right now there are really good options emerging like WaveApps. Wave >>>>>>> offers free billing including credit card processing at fair rates. >>>>>>> They don’t fit perfectly with an ISP (yet) but they are promising an >>>>>>> API which means that a good solutions provider can crank out an >>>>>>> integrations solution with Wave for front end billing. I am also super >>>>>>> excited to see what Sonar has to offer. I hope their offer is solid >>>>>>> and we have a glorious solution… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At any rate I am waiting with bated breath to see where this lands over >>>>>>> the next few months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Joshaven Potter >>>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA >>>>>>> Google Hangouts: [email protected] >>>>>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can setup Platypus for billing only in less than an hour, including >>>>>>> setting up plans/rates/services/importing customers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> That get's to be a little in depth and probably a loaded >>>>>>>> question...but I know when we moved to Powercode the old team that >>>>>>>> wasn't very good had it done in one afternoon. This was from >>>>>>>> Quickbooks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Are you including database conversion? Items, customers, current >>>>>>>>> balances, recurring billing, credit cards, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then there’s setting up the online customer payment portal. >>>>>>>>> Especially if customers already had online accounts. And you need to >>>>>>>>> hook it into your merchant account, put your logo on it, test it, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:24 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm simply saying 2 days is a long time to setup a billing system. >>>>>>>>> For someone that wants it running "immediately" 2 days is a LONG time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Philip Rankin >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hey, I'm not in this for an argument. I am just offering to help a >>>>>>>>>> guy out if I can. I'll bow out of this conversation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 1:37 PM, "Josh Luthman" >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Two days??? Powercode takes like an hour. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Philip Rankin >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, I am still a major believer in Tucows Platypus. Brett, I >>>>>>>>>>>> could have you up and running with Plat in under 2 days as long as >>>>>>>>>>>> you can answer speed and pricing questions as I ask them. And all >>>>>>>>>>>> I would need is remote access to a Windows 7 computer. Let me >>>>>>>>>>>> know if you are interested. Most of the training can be done >>>>>>>>>>>> remotely in less than a day, too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is still pretty early on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I guess it does that...lol. I wasn't really expecting it to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not very baked ? or am I missing something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I meant for the admin side? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just guessing.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know how to login to his demo? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free? Last time I saw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him at Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with setup and customization at a flat rate of $100/hr. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located in Utah, also. If you want something cheap or free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may be an option. It would probably be worth contacting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him. I recommend Powercode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been looking at https://www.whmcs.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap. I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can get a hosted solution if you don't want to install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig schmaderer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. I don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visp requires is about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable one time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fee, but it must be reasonable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could pay using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or lost it, they couldn't pay their bill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platypus and pay someone to set it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my small size operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good, cheap, and fast? You know what they say about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are reasonably happy with Powercode. Few gripes but it has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never double or triple charged our customers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015 1:35 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can have up in running immediately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum like visp. I don't want to buy any new hardware. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at platypus, but it cannot be deployed easily or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly. I looked at powercode, but I don't want to buy any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new hardware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should I just go back to manual invoicing with quickbooks? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Philip J. Rankin >>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Telecommunications Services >>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 24 >>>>>>>>>>>> Pittsburg, KS 66762 >
