Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits
the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value.
However, the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It more than cut my power bill in half.
*From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will
have an ROI in months.
For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees
and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric
car that is only home at night.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should
have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any
storage with a grid-tie system.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average
installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is
7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
*On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
*From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually
I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of
them though.
Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the
ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around
the corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and
there is no cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more
than a few years (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within
3-8 years or at least be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels
come out with sodium batteries or one of several other technologies
that don’t start degrading after 18 months, I’m onboard.
As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m
more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for
religious reasons. You can teach science and morality without
ignoring the science. Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing
cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council
members)... who happen to share the same last name.
It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council
should be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are
logical or not isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear
to have been that it would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the
majority of the residents did want it to happen, and the town council
was just persuaded to turn it down because of a couple of nutcases
ranting, they should (and probably will) be voted out in the next
election.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from
the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you
find that anywhere.
Patrick Leary wrote:
Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know
the meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are
repeating sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course,
even in contradiction without a trace of irony.
…e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a
Kenyan born Muslim.
Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has
spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board
in Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would
steal too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of
plants and crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
*On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the
facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a
vote that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people
what the Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have
a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8
of them recognize him and his position in the government. Most of them
don’t have any idea of our country’s history, could tell you the
difference between Democracy, Socialism, and Communism, or even know
who fought in World Wars, the Civil War, or even which side won. The
fact is, even with all the resources available to the public today,
the average voter is more ignorant today than in the past. The all
know the Kardashians but few of them could name off their Senators or
Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of our country
today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being ignorant is
trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>]
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem
on news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe
fits...don't take it off.
On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two
opposite opinions at the same time.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
entire market cornered on that trait?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
or Trumps...
On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
Lets fact check Rory....lol
On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
influence in that State Department for billions and took
hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
topic.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>]
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
among other things but I might offend some on list...
On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
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<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
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