Yes we are in agreement , so here is something to think about, and I struggle with this....
"it's ok to take out the bad guys"..... well this is against the constitution on which this country was built on. Simply because the founding fathers, while they did not agree on everything, did all agree as to the problem with this statement is ... Who gets to determine who is the bad guy ! We stand up in-front of the world, claiming to be the nation of laws, and up-hold the law.....but act in an opposite manner outside our borders. This does not go without notice by the rest of the world. Take Saddam or Gaddafi for example, we put them in power when it was convenient and then we declared them as 'the bad guy'. We simply cannot have it both ways, and still stand up in-front of the world claiming to up-holding the law. The rest of the world has a tendency to copy us, not just what we are saying but what we are doing ... The mess in the middle east did not start 10 or 15 years ago.. it is the result of actions and manipulations which started 40+ years back and have continued and still continue today ! ISIS is not a religious movement !... it is a Political Movement using religion (more like distorting religion) as a way of manipulating people, and in the west (in the media and or public pulpit) every Tom Dick and Harry who has become an ISIS expert overnight with their own twisted narrow explanation is simply fueling the fire. What is amazing to watch is..... it is easy to identify hate speech when someone else says it to us, but we commonly fail to identify it when we say it to others . There is no difference between the words coming out of the idiots from the East vs idiots from the West except for the language they are saying those words in. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:28:08 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > You know Faisal, I partially agree with that. We really don’t know how many > people have been killed from random bombings and those definitely harbor bad > feelings. I’m not saying that taking out bad guys is a bad thing, but by > abandoning all other military options and abandoning the countries we needed > to > help rebuild, we left a lot of open wounds. A lot of the people that helped us > in the Middle East felt abandoned. We need a solid presence that stands as the > wall people could lean on and count on. Instead, we left too many innocent > people to die and became the country nobody could count on. Then we snipe from > the dark and kill innocents that never should have been in the line of fire to > begin with. > I will say this though, I’m not convinced ISIS is a political or religious > movement as much as I think it’s a bunch of leftover military thugs from Sadam > Hussein’s army who run ISIS just getting rich and using zealots to mask the > operation. The amount of money they have stolen is staggering. > Rory > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies > You are absolutely correct.... > Most folks don't how how much we have been molesting with other nations and > their politics, until the crazy's show up and start killing people for no > rhyme > or reason !.... > Then suddenly everyone is acting surprised ? Politicians twisting the > situation > for their own benefit, saying anything, twisting facts as they will , asking > ..... Why do they hate us ? why do they want to kill us ? and offering their > own twisted answers ... etc etc... > The answer from the other side is, see now you know how we have been feeling ? > see how you have been messing with us, our families etc... ! > I do not condone such acts of violence for any reason... but how many of us > realize with the daily bombings of Syria, drone attacks in Pakistan etc etc > etc... are affecting the common people there who have nothing to do with the > politics !.... The world is not becoming a safer place for anyone with such > actions... > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies >> I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the candidates, >> is >> that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the facts, don’t care >> about >> the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote that is based on research >> and >> education. I can ask 10 people what the Trans Pacific Partnership was about >> and >> 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be >> surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his position in the government. Most >> of them don’t have any idea of our country’s history, could tell you the >> difference between Democracy, Socialism, and Communism, or even know who >> fought >> in World Wars, the Civil War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with >> all the resources available to the public today, the average voter is more >> ignorant today than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them >> could name off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is >> the >> state of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being >> ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless. >> Rory >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies >> Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on >> news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe fits...don't >> take it off. >> On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" < [email protected] > wrote: >> It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two >> opposite >> opinions at the same time. >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>> I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing candidate >>> is >>> over simplification and pretty ignorant itself. >>> Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number of people >>> who >>> believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns. >>> I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch Trump >>> supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he was arrogant and >>> thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a second. You are a trump >>> supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the entire market cornered on that >>> trait? >>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] > >>> wrote: >>>> And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz or Trumps... >>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] > >>>> wrote: >>>> Lets fact check Rory....lol >>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>> Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold influence >>>> in that >>>> State Department for billions and took hundreds of millions for bogus >>>> speeches. >>>> All candidates have followers that really don’t know what’s going on so >>>> singling out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought Obama >>>> was >>>> going to pay their mortgage (that was a real Einstein moment). With 90% of >>>> the >>>> people not even knowing who the vice-president is, you can always find >>>> idiots >>>> who will vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political >>>> topic. >>>> Rory >>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM >>>> To: Animal Farm >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies >>>> The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his followers...when they >>>> are >>>> interviewed it reminds how narrow minded they are...they think professional >>>> wrestling is real among other things but I might offend some on list... >>>> On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>> I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and thoughts on >>>> privacy. >>>> Our politicians are allowed to keep more privacy. In such a case the >>>> private >>>> emails would not be open to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US >>>> rules. >>>> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- >>>> Von: Lewis Bergman < [email protected] > >>>> Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00) >>>> An: [email protected] >>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
