That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too. It's
probably one of the personality traits you need in this business.
But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available product and an
already installed system and then compare it to a product that isn't
available and won't be for a while.
-Sean
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the
market yet. Gotta plan ahead.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf
Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
*To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m
not interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is
about to pay off starting this month which I hinted at last
article. A bird in the hand doesn’t always apply to technology
but once it’s a manufacturing problem instead of a development
process, then I get a little more interested. Peroksvite is a
manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up the
manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet against it.
At minimum, it will also provide a boost to existing solar
technology
http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On Behalf
Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
*To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can
someone be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The
panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a
reduction of savings. But again, the argument is that if
Peroksvite has an ROI of 6 months or it has a higher efficiency
level, then there is additional savings. Then there is the chance
that battery costs come down in the next 4 years for additional
savings. In our case, the majority of our electrical use is
actually at night with the car charging and solar doesn’t help us
there.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I
discovered this weekend that one of my inverters has been offline
for a while. Based on my data probably 3 months or so.
In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each year
for the next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably still be
running strong in 40 years for my grandchildren to use.
That is a 24% return on the investment.
Where else can you get that kind of return?
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite
hits the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better
value. However, the average person is still going to be at 7
years or more.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
wrote:
It more than cut my power bill in half.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It
will have an ROI in months.
For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional
fees and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an
electric car that is only home at night.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they
should have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you
don't need any storage with a grid-tie system.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway
<[email protected]> wrote:
Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average
installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is
7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore
(actually I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never
been a fan of them though.
Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons,
the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right
around the corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not
years), and there is no cost-effective storage medium that is
going to last more than a few years (Lithium batteries are
expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least be heavily
degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium batteries
or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading
after 18 months, I’m onboard.
As for people against technology that could better their lives.
I’m more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science
for religious reasons. You can teach science and morality without
ignoring the science. Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and
causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who were
not council members)... who happen to share the same last name.
It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town
council should be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it
there are logical or not isn't entirely relevant. Most of the
objections appear to have been that it would be an eyesore... on
the other hand, if the majority of the residents did want it to
happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it down
because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably
will) be voted out in the next election.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley
<[email protected]> wrote:
I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm
from the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts
but you find that anywhere.
Patrick Leary wrote:
Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to
know the meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and
are repeating sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of
course, even in contradiction without a trace of irony.
…e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a
Kenyan born Muslim.
Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It
has spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning
board in Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that
it would steal too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting
photosynthesis of plants and crops at risk? Yeah, that just
happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know
the facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to
provide a vote that is based on research and education. I can ask
10 people what the Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of
them won’t have a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and
I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his position in
the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of our country’s
history, could tell you the difference between Democracy,
Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars,
the Civil War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all
the resources available to the public today, the average voter is
more ignorant today than in the past. The all know the
Kardashians but few of them could name off their Senators or
Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of our country
today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being ignorant
is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all
mayhem on news...but if you do get offended....I can only say.
If the shoe fits...don't take it off.
On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold
two opposite opinions at the same time.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
entire market cornered on that trait?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
or Trumps...
On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Lets fact check Rory....lol
On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
influence in that State Department for billions and took
hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
topic.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
among other things but I might offend some on list...
On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
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<mailto:[email protected]>>
Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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