Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation
commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also,
what are you doing for storage?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I
think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them
though.
Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the ROI
is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the corner
(100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years
(Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least
be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium batteries
or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading after 18
months, I’m onboard.
As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m more
worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious
reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science.
Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer
type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... who
happen to share the same last name.
It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should
be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not
isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it
would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents
did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it
down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably
will) be voted out in the next election.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <[email protected]>
wrote:
I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from the
article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find that
anywhere.
Patrick Leary wrote:
Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the
meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating
sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in
contradiction without a trace of irony.
…e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan
born Muslim.
Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has
spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in
Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal too
much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and crops at
risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the facts,
don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote that is
based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the Trans Pacific
Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show a picture of
Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his
position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of our
country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy,
Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil
War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources
available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today than
in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name off
their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of
our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being
ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on
news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe
fits...don't take it off.
On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two
opposite opinions at the same time.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
entire market cornered on that trait?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
or Trumps...
On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Lets fact check Rory....lol
On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
influence in that State Department for billions and took
hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
topic.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
among other things but I might offend some on list...
On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
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<mailto:[email protected]>>
Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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