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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:27:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) They need clothing and transportation to food, water, shelter and medicine. Or free delivery. Josh Luthman wrote: > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need > to survive. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? > Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than > congenital defects, and some accidents, most health problems are > due to peoples choices. If our money is to be confiscated to pay > for everyone's "human right", don't we get a say in how they live? > How many other human rights are being trampled on then? > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and > demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have > to stay there - but when you have some medical condition (and > while yes AIDS is something you can certainly avoid) I think > as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that > pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to date to > innovate and health care or pharma is not exempt. Big > rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These > pharma companies have something like 7 years until the > exclusivity period expires. That can be a pretty short > time to recover investments. This particular case may be a > bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in > America is simply ludicrous. > > I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on > a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday > was $269. I don't think that is price gouging. I think it > is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer > rooms available on that particular night than are demanded > at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply > and demand come closer to being equal. At that price I > still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to > their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging. > Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was > $159 again. Since the hotel was full they probably could > have been even higher. > > I really don't understand what people have such a huge > issue with the fundamental theory of supply and demand. > Yes I understand that it is a potentially life saving > drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they > aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we > stop rewarding people for the value they provide? I know > this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously was willing to > reward those who did with a price they thought fair. Sales > over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake. > > Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% > over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less > than cost and force him to provide his great product for > the good of the people? There is a reason it is named > Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about > capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control > that skulks below the overt argument for "controlling" > this type of behavior. > > I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat > and say "so what?". People die every day for less meaning > and in greater numbers. There is practically a mass > suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I > don't see where people value there lives or others that > much anyway when reading a text or email is more important > than life itself. > I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the > loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and > let the system fight it out. The word isn't fair, not ever > going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way. > > Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, > Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be > arrested and charged if he doubles the price of gas, > water, or other life-critical goods after a natural > disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s > completely legal for a company to raise a > life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism > in America. > > Shkreli is only the most written about example. This > “business trend’ is all the rage and has been widely > employed in the U.S. for a number of years now. > > http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ > > Patrick > > *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli > > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested > today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug > prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams > almost daily to his fans. > > Watch the first video, isn't he just like every > annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents > basement that we have to deal with bitching about his > Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. > > I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but > watch the video. > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has > been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious > code, vandals & computer viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has > been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious > code, vandals & computer viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > >
