Bah, humbug.
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From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
And a free cell phone so they can call the pharmacy.
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Christopher Tyler
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:27:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
They need clothing and transportation to food, water, shelter and
medicine. Or free delivery.
Josh Luthman wrote:
Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need
to survive.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop?
Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than
congenital defects, and some accidents, most health problems are
due to peoples choices. If our money is to be confiscated to pay
for everyone's "human right", don't we get a say in how they live?
How many other human rights are being trampled on then?
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and
demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have
to stay there - but when you have some medical condition (and
while yes AIDS is something you can certainly avoid) I think
as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that
pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to date to
innovate and health care or pharma is not exempt. Big
rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These
pharma companies have something like 7 years until the
exclusivity period expires. That can be a pretty short
time to recover investments. This particular case may be a
bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in
America is simply ludicrous.
I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on
a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday
was $269. I don't think that is price gouging. I think it
is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer
rooms available on that particular night than are demanded
at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply
and demand come closer to being equal. At that price I
still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to
their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging.
Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was
$159 again. Since the hotel was full they probably could
have been even higher.
I really don't understand what people have such a huge
issue with the fundamental theory of supply and demand.
Yes I understand that it is a potentially life saving
drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they
aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we
stop rewarding people for the value they provide? I know
this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously was willing to
reward those who did with a price they thought fair. Sales
over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake.
Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5%
over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less
than cost and force him to provide his great product for
the good of the people? There is a reason it is named
Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about
capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control
that skulks below the overt argument for "controlling"
this type of behavior.
I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat
and say "so what?". People die every day for less meaning
and in greater numbers. There is practically a mass
suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I
don't see where people value there lives or others that
much anyway when reading a text or email is more important
than life itself.
I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the
loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and
let the system fight it out. The word isn't fair, not ever
going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way.
Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas,
Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary
<patrick.le...@telrad.com
<mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be
arrested and charged if he doubles the price of gas,
water, or other life-critical goods after a natural
disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s
completely legal for a company to raise a
life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism
in America.
Shkreli is only the most written about example. This
“business trend’ is all the rage and has been widely
employed in the U.S. for a number of years now.
http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli
Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested
today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug
prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams
almost daily to his fans.
Watch the first video, isn't he just like every
annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents
basement that we have to deal with bitching about his
Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company.
I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but
watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA
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