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Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > Bah, humbug. > > -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Tyler > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:28 AM > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > And a free cell phone so they can call the pharmacy. > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:27:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > They need clothing and transportation to food, water, shelter and > medicine. Or free delivery. > > Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need >> to survive. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? >> Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than >> congenital defects, and some accidents, most health problems are >> due to peoples choices. If our money is to be confiscated to pay >> for everyone's "human right", don't we get a say in how they live? >> How many other human rights are being trampled on then? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and >> demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have >> to stay there - but when you have some medical condition (and >> while yes AIDS is something you can certainly avoid) I think >> as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that >> pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to date to >> innovate and health care or pharma is not exempt. Big >> rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These >> pharma companies have something like 7 years until the >> exclusivity period expires. That can be a pretty short >> time to recover investments. This particular case may be a >> bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in >> America is simply ludicrous. >> >> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on >> a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday >> was $269. I don't think that is price gouging. I think it >> is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer >> rooms available on that particular night than are demanded >> at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply >> and demand come closer to being equal. At that price I >> still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to >> their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging. >> Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was >> $159 again. Since the hotel was full they probably could >> have been even higher. >> >> I really don't understand what people have such a huge >> issue with the fundamental theory of supply and demand. >> Yes I understand that it is a potentially life saving >> drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they >> aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we >> stop rewarding people for the value they provide? I know >> this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously was willing to >> reward those who did with a price they thought fair. Sales >> over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake. >> >> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% >> over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less >> than cost and force him to provide his great product for >> the good of the people? There is a reason it is named >> Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about >> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control >> that skulks below the overt argument for "controlling" >> this type of behavior. >> >> I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat >> and say "so what?". People die every day for less meaning >> and in greater numbers. There is practically a mass >> suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I >> don't see where people value there lives or others that >> much anyway when reading a text or email is more important >> than life itself. >> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the >> loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and >> let the system fight it out. The word isn't fair, not ever >> going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way. >> >> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, >> Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be >> arrested and charged if he doubles the price of gas, >> water, or other life-critical goods after a natural >> disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s >> completely legal for a company to raise a >> life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism >> in America. >> >> Shkreli is only the most written about example. This >> “business trend’ is all the rage and has been widely >> employed in the U.S. for a number of years now. >> >> >> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ >> >> Patrick >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli >> >> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested >> today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug >> prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams >> almost daily to his fans. >> >> Watch the first video, isn't he just like every >> annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents >> basement that we have to deal with bitching about his >> Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. >> >> I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but >> watch the video. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has >> been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious >> code, vandals & computer viruses. >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has >> been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious >> code, vandals & computer viruses. >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> > >
