And I would be 100% in support of the government handing out any treatment or medicine that was available 200 years ago as a baic human right. Heck, I'll even through in Aspirin, it was invented until 1897.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:40 AM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean to tell me 200 years ago there wasn't any medicine? Sure it's > far superior now, but in the 1800s they had basics. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no medicines >> worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while a fantastic >> advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, food, and shelter. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need to >>> survive. >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are >>>> others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects, >>>> and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our >>>> money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we >>>> get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled >>>> on then? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand? I'd >>>>> agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when >>>>> you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can >>>>> certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a >>>>> basic human right. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism >>>>>> is the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or >>>>>> pharma >>>>>> is not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. >>>>>> These >>>>>> pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period >>>>>> expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This >>>>>> particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken >>>>>> in America is simply ludicrous. >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. >>>>>> Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think >>>>>> that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that >>>>>> there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are >>>>>> demanded >>>>>> at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come >>>>>> closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away >>>>>> wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price >>>>>> gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 >>>>>> again. >>>>>> Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher. >>>>>> >>>>>> I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the >>>>>> fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a >>>>>> potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe >>>>>> they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop >>>>>> rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't >>>>>> invent >>>>>> it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they >>>>>> thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a >>>>>> mistake. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? >>>>>> Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him >>>>>> to >>>>>> provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason >>>>>> it >>>>>> is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about >>>>>> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below >>>>>> the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so >>>>>> what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. >>>>>> There >>>>>> is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and >>>>>> driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much >>>>>> anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself. >>>>>> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose >>>>>> framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight >>>>>> it >>>>>> out. The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp >>>>>> it >>>>>> to be that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy >>>>>> Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged >>>>>>> if he doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods >>>>>>> after a >>>>>>> natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely >>>>>>> legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- >>>>>>> that’s >>>>>>> capitalism in America. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business >>>>>>> trend’ is all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a >>>>>>> number of years now. >>>>>>> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody >>>>>>> knows him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he >>>>>>> live streams almost daily to his fans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, >>>>>>> slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with >>>>>>> bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>>>> computer viruses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>>>> computer viruses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
