You don’t need medicine to survive. You need medicine to live
longer. Humans existed well before the concept of medicine was
discovered (and even longer before antidotal “medicine man” cures
became modern medicine).
Thank you,
Daniel White
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*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 8:17 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)
Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone
need to survive.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it
stop? Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits?
Other than congenital defects, and some accidents, most
health problems are due to peoples choices. If our money is
to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't
we get a say in how they live? How many other human rights
are being trampled on then?
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and
demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't
have to stay there - but when you have some medical
condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can
certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we
shouldn't deny a basic human right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains
that pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated to
date to innovate and health care or pharma is not
exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big
results. These pharma companies have something like 7
years until the exclusivity period expires. That can
be a pretty short time to recover investments. This
particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that
capitalism is broken in America is simply ludicrous.
I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas
Tech on a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was
$159 and Friday was $269. I don't think that is price
gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple
fact that there are fewer rooms available on that
particular night than are demanded at $159. The
equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand
come closer to being equal. At that price I still
witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to
their poor planning. I don't think that is price
gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The
next day was $159 again. Since the hotel was full
they probably could have been even higher.
I really don't understand what people have such a
huge issue with the fundamental theory of supply and
demand. Yes I understand that it is a potentially
life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments.
Maybe they aren't as good, which is why they are
cheaper. When did we stop rewarding people for the
value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent it
but he obviously was willing to reward those who did
with a price they thought fair. Sales over the next
few years will prove if he made a mistake.
Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made
for 5% over cost? Heck, why not only cover his cost?
Why not less than cost and force him to provide his
great product for the good of the people? There is a
reason it is named Animal Farm. How many have read
this book? While not about capitalism it does speak
to the kind of central control that skulks below the
overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior.
I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky
hat and say "so what?". People die every day for less
meaning and in greater numbers. There is practically
a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and
driving. I don't see where people value there lives
or others that much anyway when reading a text or
email is more important than life itself.
I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me
the loose framework of a "fair market", whatever that
is, and let the system fight it out. The word isn't
fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp
it to be that way.
Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry
Christmas, Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets your
boat floating.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be
arrested and charged if he doubles the price of
gas, water, or other life-critical goods after a
natural disaster – that’s a crime in America.
Meanwhile, it’s completely legal for a company to
raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% --
that’s capitalism in America.
Shkreli is only the most written about example.
This “business trend’ is all the rage and has
been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of
years now.
<http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/>http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken
Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli
Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested
today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises
drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live
streams almost daily to his fans.
Watch the first video, isn't he just like every
annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his
parents basement that we have to deal with
bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of
a drug company.
I didn't think it was possible to hate him more,
but watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA
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