Sure, but you can pretty much guarantee that nobody is going to have a life span of much more than a few weeks without food, and it's perfectly possible for (some) people to live 100 years without ever touching any sort of medicine.
I don't see how something that doesn't exist until someone puts a lot of time and energy into creating it can be considered a human right. On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, technically you don't need food to survive either, just live longer. > > On 12/18/2015 10:56 AM, Daniel White wrote: > > You don’t need medicine to survive. You need medicine to live longer. > Humans existed well before the concept of medicine was discovered (and even > longer before antidotal “medicine man” cures became modern medicine). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel White > > <[email protected]>[email protected] > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > Skype: danieldwhite > Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter > <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 8:17 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > > > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need to > survive. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are > others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects, > and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our > money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we > get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled > on then? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand? I'd > agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when > you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can > certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a > basic human right. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism is > the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma is > not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These > pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period > expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This > particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken > in America is simply ludicrous. > > > > I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. > Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think > that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that > there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are demanded > at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come > closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away > wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price > gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. > Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher. > > > > I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the > fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a > potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe > they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop > rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent > it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they > thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake. > > > > Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? Heck, > why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to > provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it > is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about > capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below > the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior. > > > > I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so > what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. There > is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and > driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much > anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself. > > I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose framework > of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight it out. The > word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be > that way. > > > > Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanuka, > or whatever else gets your boat floating. > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged if he > doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods after a > natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely > legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s > capitalism in America. > > > > Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’ is > all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of years > now. > <http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/> > http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ > > > > Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli > > > > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody knows > him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live > streams almost daily to his fans. > > > > Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, > slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with > bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. > > > > I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video. > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA> > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > > -- > Simon Westlake > Skype: Simon_Sonar > Email: [email protected] > Phone: (702) 447-1247 > --------------------------- > Sonar Software Inc > The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software > >
