900 MHz is very location sensitive, for lack of a better term.
Our service area straddles the ridge of the Santa Cruz mountains on the
San Francisco peninsula. The north/east side of the ridge is silicon
valley, and deploying 900 there is tantamount to suicide. There are
literally ~~ a million smart meters over there, and the noise floor is
unbelievable.
On the south/west side of the ridge are just a few thousand homes, and
the smart meters are so spread out that they actually don't function.
They are too far apart to mesh with each other. Here the noise floor is
actually still OK.
So I would not attempt to deploy this on the north/east side, but the
south/west side is a distinct possibility.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/24/2015 7:26 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
True... and the SMs are actually cheaper than 450 prices, unless you
want 4mbps SMs. Even if 450i doesn't cost more to build, it is a brand
new product, which means they're going to have to recover a lot more
R&D costs than on something like 450 that's been out for a few years
already.
That's also probably true... I know a lot of WISPs want nothing to do
with 900mhz at this point, and I don't imagine they're going to buy
any no matter what the price is, so it could end up being a pretty low
volume product.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Also they chose to build it on the 450i platform at 450 prices. I
don’t know what this means for profit margins. Maybe 450i costs a
lot more to build than 450, maybe it is actually a cost reduction,
who knows.
If they aren’t making tons of money on the blades, they may not
want to give the razors away.
On the other hand, they may feel they went out on a limb building
this product when some WISPs were begging for it but many said 900
was dead to them. So they have a unique product with uncertain
volume. If sales exceed modest expectations, they might feel
better about bringing out a Lite AP. They no doubt realize lots of
900 Lite APs would stay Lites.
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:06 PM
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i availability ???
Well, yes, of course there is demand, it's more a question of if
they think they can sell enough more of the lites to offset the
difference. My opinion is that they probably would, but they may
not agree... they also might just be waiting until the demand
drops off some before they introduce a lite... afterall, if
they're selling everything they can build at this point, it
doesn't make much sense from their point of view to sell them cheaper.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Jon Langeler
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It's the same hardware so of course there's demand for the
lites. There's no disadvantage to upgrade the keys later. They
just want to see if they can squeeze the most out of everyone
at the beginning to maximize profit. Unfortunately it's why
Cambium is Cambium and Ubiquiti is well, a lot bigger.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Dec 24, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Mathew Howard
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That isn't going to happen though... when I asked someone
from Cambium about it, it sounded like they might consider
doing a Lite AP later on. I'm guessing they'll do it if they
see enough demand for it.
I don't anticipate that we'll be putting very many of these
APs up at full price, but I would certainly consider them on
a lot more of our towers if they release a Lite AP (assuming
they work well).
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jon Langeler
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If everyone halts orders until they change their minds, I
bet it would work. Cambium likes to nickel and dime.
Success of the ISP isn't one of their concerns...
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Dec 23, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Mathew Howard
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Some distributors might have them, they are shipping...
I got one from WAV last week. We haven't had time to put
it up yet unfortunately, so I can't say how well they work.
Last I heard there wasn't a LiteAP in the works, but
hopefully that will change if we keep asking for it...
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What is the status on the 900mhz 450 hitting mass
distributors? I know some people out there have some
early pre-order units but is there some of this
still floating around on a boat somewhere or
something? Streakwave doesn't even have the 900mhz
450i listed on their website at all. Also more
importantly, how good is the F/B ratio on the
cambium sector in real life deployments? The sector
looks like a KP on the PDF. Have they released any
pricing publicly? Also will there be a lite AP for
<10 subs at half cost of the full AP? This is very
important because we need to have many sectors on a
tower to get around the noise which means a lot less
subs per AP.
