Don’t use upstream providers at all, go to an exchange and direct peer with everyone, so you are really in control.
... better? :P On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Paying someone else to manage routes doesn’t necessarily mean you’re > lazy. We can’t all afford a 24x7 NOC staffed with BGP savvy network > engineers. The decision to do something in house or to outsource it always > involves tradeoffs. Are you lazy because you outsource phone support? > > I actually expected you to say don’t use upstream providers at all, go to > an exchange and direct peer with everyone, so you are really in control. > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 10:43 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > Agreed. If you're lazy about managing your network, you won't need those > tools. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > If you do all that, cool. > > Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his > secrets. The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat > protein supplements, and drink grapefruit juice. The first two sounded > like too much work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice. > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. > You could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a > problem with upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community > to tell upstream A not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then > filter routes from carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your > traffic to carrier C or you may determine that a better path is via > upstream D. Can't do that without full tables. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking > control. I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and > one high quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like > packet loss and latency and tweaks their routing table. I don’t think BGP > will automate those decisions for you. But if the cheap upstream has > direct peering or colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well > send that outbound traffic to them. > > > *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > > Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much > control you want over your paths though .. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cassidy B. Larson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > > > I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from > your upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up > which way is better to go out. > > > > > > On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > > > I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be > setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and > larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the > pros and cons of each ? > > Thanks a million > > > > >
