Ha.. neighborhood associations....they think they know what's best for you...fuck them On Feb 7, 2016 3:25 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Isn't that a clear OTARD violation? > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:08 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Aren't there boxes that do this already? ChannelMaster maybe? OTA DVR + >> Netflix, etc. apps? I don't think you're going to find an IPTv STB with OTA >> built in. >> >> We're a DISH PCO. We have a SmartBox deployed in one building so far. It >> has an OTA tuner blade installed (8ch I think). Obviously the benefit is >> that you can pull in some locals over the antenna and not tie up sat >> tuners. We're doing clear QAM output, 48ch I believe. But anyway, I'd say >> the OTA tuner and re-transmit in this situation is legal because 1) it's no >> different than a stand-alone OTA system already in the building (we're just >> converting them to a clear QAM channel, no transcoding), and 2) DISH has >> re-transmit consent for the locals anyway. >> >> Another scenario I'm thinking of.. We're looking at doing GPON in a >> private community of 250+ homes. The association allows ground-mounted sat >> dishes only, nothing on roofs besides our current wireless gear, and no >> towers. So basically nobody can get OTA. What if we fed OTA into the GPON >> RF wave? Who would know? Who would care? We'd be giving the residents a >> means to get OTA. Most people want locals + Netflix anyway. >> >> >> On 2/7/2016 11:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> In my market, we have (at last count) 24 OTA channels. Not all of them >> charge, but you know the networks and FOX do, so that is at least >> $4/month/sub cost to the company adding those channels to their lineup. >> Pays for itself in one or two years of adding the OTA antenna to the STB. >> I am sure they must all be thinking about it. >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:19 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >> >> At a minimum, it would move tens of millions of customers in the coverage >> area of the broadcast towers to OTA instead of retransmitted through the >> satellite. I'm sure at scale, their cost would be cheaper, but a $39 >> ChannelMaster yagi would probably work for most of the population. >> >> Heck, they wouldn't even have to follow through with it. Just threaten it >> for reduced rates. I'd imagine just the threat of moving however many >> millions of homes (for the big broadcasters) from their retransmission fees >> would be quite enough to settle for a rate decrease. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:13:28 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >> >> That is a good idea. Put an F connector on the LNB that is designed to >> pull in UHF TV frequencies and transport it to the box. One extra antenna >> on top. No more local retransmission fees (assuming you can get the locals >> at a decent signal level). >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 7:04 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >> >> What I think Chuck was going for was a way to receive them locally so you >> don't have to pay the retransmission fees. To expand upon that, I wonder >> about building the OTA into the dish. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *To: *"af" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 6:17:11 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >> >> Yeah, they do retransmit them over the satellite as well, so most of the >> locals actually show up in the list twice. >> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Can you get locals without the external antenna? >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 4:49 PM >>> *To:* af <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >>> >>> My Dish Network box does that... there's a built in OTA receiver in the >>> STB, and other than program information being missing for some of the sub >>> channels, you don't really notice whether the channel is coming from >>> satellite or OTA. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Used to be there were must carry rules for locals. Now it is reversed. >>>> I have seen these disputes many times over the past 10-15 years. >>>> >>>> I wonder about the economics of building an OTA circuit into the STB. >>>> Have the installer put up an antenna, wire it up and don’t pay the >>>> broadcasters. If it was clever enough the user would not even know. >>>> Include the locals in the OSD and DVR functionality... Hmmm, would work >>>> for IPTV systems too... >>>> >>>> Of course everyone cannot always receive all the local OTAs but most >>>> could. I wonder if you could pay the broadcasters only for the customers >>>> that needed cable/IPTV deliver of the signal... I guess you could create a >>>> non locals tier of service and try to put as many on it as possible. >>>> >>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 3:16 PM >>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup >>>> >>>> >>>> KASW is a local channel in the Phoenix area. Apparently there is a >>>> dispute over the cost of rebroadcasting this local channel when renewing >>>> the contract. The reason that it’s interesting is they replaced the entire >>>> show with an explanation of how local channels get to charge for something >>>> the broadcast over the air for free. It looks like they are going on the >>>> offensive and something we need to be aware of it if we start looking at >>>> broadcasting IP TV. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* >>>> >>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* >>>> >>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>* >>>> >>>> * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> <[email protected]>* >>>> >>>> * <http://www.triadwireless.net/>www.triadwireless.net >>>> <http://www.triadwireless.net>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of >>>> comfort or convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge or >>>> controversy” – Martin Luther King >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
