It is my understand that the resident waives their rights upon signing
the lease.
On 2/7/2016 4:25 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Isn't that a clear OTARD violation?
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:08 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Aren't there boxes that do this already? ChannelMaster maybe? OTA
DVR + Netflix, etc. apps? I don't think you're going to find an
IPTv STB with OTA built in.
We're a DISH PCO. We have a SmartBox deployed in one building so
far. It has an OTA tuner blade installed (8ch I think). Obviously
the benefit is that you can pull in some locals over the antenna
and not tie up sat tuners. We're doing clear QAM output, 48ch I
believe. But anyway, I'd say the OTA tuner and re-transmit in this
situation is legal because 1) it's no different than a stand-alone
OTA system already in the building (we're just converting them to
a clear QAM channel, no transcoding), and 2) DISH has re-transmit
consent for the locals anyway.
Another scenario I'm thinking of.. We're looking at doing GPON in
a private community of 250+ homes. The association allows
ground-mounted sat dishes only, nothing on roofs besides our
current wireless gear, and no towers. So basically nobody can get
OTA. What if we fed OTA into the GPON RF wave? Who would know? Who
would care? We'd be giving the residents a means to get OTA. Most
people want locals + Netflix anyway.
On 2/7/2016 11:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
In my market, we have (at last count) 24 OTA channels. Not all
of them charge, but you know the networks and FOX do, so that is
at least $4/month/sub cost to the company adding those channels
to their lineup. Pays for itself in one or two years of adding
the OTA antenna to the STB. I am sure they must all be thinking
about it.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:19 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
At a minimum, it would move tens of millions of customers in the
coverage area of the broadcast towers to OTA instead of
retransmitted through the satellite. I'm sure at scale, their
cost would be cheaper, but a $39 ChannelMaster yagi would
probably work for most of the population.
Heck, they wouldn't even have to follow through with it. Just
threaten it for reduced rates. I'd imagine just the threat of
moving however many millions of homes (for the big broadcasters)
from their retransmission fees would be quite enough to settle
for a rate decrease.
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:13:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
That is a good idea. Put an F connector on the LNB that is
designed to pull in UHF TV frequencies and transport it to the
box. One extra antenna on top. No more local retransmission
fees (assuming you can get the locals at a decent signal level).
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 7:04 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
What I think Chuck was going for was a way to receive them
locally so you don't have to pay the retransmission fees. To
expand upon that, I wonder about building the OTA into the dish.
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *"af" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 6:17:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
Yeah, they do retransmit them over the satellite as well, so most
of the locals actually show up in the list twice.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can you get locals without the external antenna?
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 4:49 PM
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
My Dish Network box does that... there's a built in OTA
receiver in the STB, and other than program information being
missing for some of the sub channels, you don't really notice
whether the channel is coming from satellite or OTA.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Used to be there were must carry rules for locals. Now
it is reversed.
I have seen these disputes many times over the past 10-15
years.
I wonder about the economics of building an OTA circuit
into the STB. Have the installer put up an antenna, wire
it up and don’t pay the broadcasters. If it was clever
enough the user would not even know. Include the locals
in the OSD and DVR functionality... Hmmm, would work for
IPTV systems too...
Of course everyone cannot always receive all the local
OTAs but most could. I wonder if you could pay the
broadcasters only for the customers that needed
cable/IPTV deliver of the signal... I guess you could
create a non locals tier of service and try to put as
many on it as possible.
*From:* Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 3:16 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
KASW is a local channel in the Phoenix area. Apparently
there is a dispute over the cost of rebroadcasting this
local channel when renewing the contract. The reason
that it’s interesting is they replaced the entire show
with an explanation of how local channels get to charge
for something the broadcast over the air for free. It
looks like they are going on the offensive and something
we need to be aware of it if we start looking at
broadcasting IP TV.
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