I get it, and I agree. It's somewhat of a grey area. If you don't agree
to the terms, don't sign it. That simple. This is all private property
vacation rental kind of thing, even though some people live there
year-round. We're inclined to agree with the property owner, you know
that whole $$ thing. So if we can throw in something that benefits
everyone, why the hell not.
On 2/7/2016 5:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Sounds lawyery. I'm going with this :)
On Feb 7, 2016 5:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
OTARD trumps their lease. You can't agree to violate a federal law
in a contract. It's like contract hiring of a murder is just as
bad as doing the murder itself. They're free to put their antenna
anywhere that's safe and doesn't harm something historically
significant as long as it's space they control. Their balcony,
porch, etc., but not the roof or a common porch.
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*From: *"George Skorup" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, February 7, 2016 5:00:00 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
It is my understand that the resident waives their rights upon
signing the lease.
On 2/7/2016 4:25 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Isn't that a clear OTARD violation?
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:08 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Aren't there boxes that do this already? ChannelMaster
maybe? OTA DVR + Netflix, etc. apps? I don't think you're
going to find an IPTv STB with OTA built in.
We're a DISH PCO. We have a SmartBox deployed in one
building so far. It has an OTA tuner blade installed (8ch
I think). Obviously the benefit is that you can pull in
some locals over the antenna and not tie up sat tuners.
We're doing clear QAM output, 48ch I believe. But anyway,
I'd say the OTA tuner and re-transmit in this situation is
legal because 1) it's no different than a stand-alone OTA
system already in the building (we're just converting them
to a clear QAM channel, no transcoding), and 2) DISH has
re-transmit consent for the locals anyway.
Another scenario I'm thinking of.. We're looking at doing
GPON in a private community of 250+ homes. The association
allows ground-mounted sat dishes only, nothing on roofs
besides our current wireless gear, and no towers. So
basically nobody can get OTA. What if we fed OTA into the
GPON RF wave? Who would know? Who would care? We'd be
giving the residents a means to get OTA. Most people want
locals + Netflix anyway.
On 2/7/2016 11:41 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
In my market, we have (at last count) 24 OTA
channels. Not all of them charge, but you know the
networks and FOX do, so that is at least $4/month/sub
cost to the company adding those channels to their
lineup. Pays for itself in one or two years of adding
the OTA antenna to the STB. I am sure they must all
be thinking about it.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:19 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
At a minimum, it would move tens of millions of
customers in the coverage area of the broadcast towers
to OTA instead of retransmitted through the satellite.
I'm sure at scale, their cost would be cheaper, but a
$39 ChannelMaster yagi would probably work for most of
the population.
Heck, they wouldn't even have to follow through with
it. Just threaten it for reduced rates. I'd imagine
just the threat of moving however many millions of
homes (for the big broadcasters) from their
retransmission fees would be quite enough to settle
for a rate decrease.
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:13:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
That is a good idea. Put an F connector on the LNB
that is designed to pull in UHF TV frequencies and
transport it to the box. One extra antenna on top.
No more local retransmission fees (assuming you can
get the locals at a decent signal level).
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 7:04 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
What I think Chuck was going for was a way to receive
them locally so you don't have to pay the
retransmission fees. To expand upon that, I wonder
about building the OTA into the dish.
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *"af" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 6, 2016 6:17:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
Yeah, they do retransmit them over the satellite as
well, so most of the locals actually show up in the
list twice.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can you get locals without the external antenna?
*From:* Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 4:49 PM
*To:* af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
My Dish Network box does that... there's a built
in OTA receiver in the STB, and other than program
information being missing for some of the sub
channels, you don't really notice whether the
channel is coming from satellite or OTA.
On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Used to be there were must carry rules for
locals. Now it is reversed.
I have seen these disputes many times over the
past 10-15 years.
I wonder about the economics of building an
OTA circuit into the STB. Have the installer
put up an antenna, wire it up and don’t pay
the broadcasters. If it was clever enough the
user would not even know. Include the locals
in the OSD and DVR functionality... Hmmm,
would work for IPTV systems too...
Of course everyone cannot always receive all
the local OTAs but most could. I wonder if
you could pay the broadcasters only for the
customers that needed cable/IPTV deliver of
the signal... I guess you could create a non
locals tier of service and try to put as many
on it as possible.
*From:* Rory Conaway
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2016 3:16 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cox pulls KASW from it's lineup
KASW is a local channel in the Phoenix area.
Apparently there is a dispute over the cost of
rebroadcasting this local channel when
renewing the contract. The reason that it’s
interesting is they replaced the entire show
with an explanation of how local channels get
to charge for something the broadcast over the
air for free. It looks like they are going on
the offensive and something we need to be
aware of it if we start looking at
broadcasting IP TV.
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