Yup. If you have a marina near you, they will most likely have ethanol-free gas. You'll pay a little bit more for it though. We keep a couple cheap gas inverter generators around for spares, but we primarily use the Yamaha w/ propane.

My truck is apparently so carbon'd up that I cannot run the E10/87 (87 octane my ass) without knocking and the PCM retarding the timing. I'm running some Shell Nitro with extra detergent added to try to clean it up. If I could find some of the old GM Top Engine Cleaner, I'd do that, but the EPA banned it. So they give us shit gas and no means to clean it. There's nowhere near enough detergent in any of the regular gasolines. I'm not pulling the heads to clean the cylinders, F that. I did find out that my truck shuts down at 98MPH too. Lame.

On 4/4/2016 12:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

The labels say no ethanol!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 4, 2016 12:57 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

    We've started our little Yamaha on a 20# tank at -15F before. It
    can be a bitch to get started because of the protection valves in
    tanks now. We had one old tank without the valve and it would fire
    up on the first pull every time. Now it takes 5-6 pulls using the
    choke to get that valve open.

    One thing I found out with all of my truck woes and shit gasoline
    is that small/carb engines were never designed to run the ethanol
    blends. The ethanol is corrosive to non-stainless fuel systems.
    This is why all FlexFuel certified systems are stainless delivery,
    injector rails, etc.

    On 4/4/2016 8:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

        Yeah, I have run lots of propane generators.  Here are a few
        problems.

        Temperature.  If it is -20F outside, you have to have a very
        very large tank to generate enough vapor to keep the generator
        running.

        Conversely you can use a liquid pickup and a vaporizer but you
        need heat energy for the vaporizer to get the thing started.

        And liquid pickups also pick all the dirt and sludge at the
        bottom of the tank.  You would not believe the amount of gunk
        in those tanks (I cut old ones up for smokers).

        And no matter what kind of fuel you use, the starter motor
        battery is a common point of failure as is charger.  I like to
        remote the battery into the heated building if there is a
        heated building. Generac was infamous for supplying a charger
        that failed and you didn't know until you needed.

        I started putting telemetry on all starter motor batteries on
        all generators.  That is the most important bit of data you
        need to monitor.

        -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup
        Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:43 PM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PSA - check your generators!

        Propane

        On 4/3/2016 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

            I've had a handful of generators that always started on
            the first pull. Until today.  Got another one for the site
            but started tearing apart the old one and I think it's a
            bad carb, something I'll have someone else take a look at.

            Mine are all sitting inside doing nothing, they're
            portable with two wheels but require two people or a ramp
            to put in the truck.  I don't know if I'd buy these size
            units again but I really do like the 8.5 gallons and 24
            hour run time...

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373




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