We have a station here in Reno that sells 110 and 114 Octane racing fuel at the pump... Vrooooommmmmmmmmmmm.... And $$$$$$$$$$

On 04/04/2016 11:14 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
We have quite a few stations up here that sell ethanol free gas...
mostly 91 octane, but a few have 87 too... of course you pay quite a bit
extra for it.

On Apr 4, 2016 1:10 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

    Not in the midwest. All blends are E10.

    On 4/4/2016 12:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
    Yeah anywhere where boating or motor sports are popular you might
    find ethanol free.
    I also seem to think the higher octane fuels won't have ethanol,
    but I can't remember why I think that.

    On 4/4/2016 1:51 PM, George Skorup wrote:
    Yup. If you have a marina near you, they will most likely have
    ethanol-free gas. You'll pay a little bit more for it though. We
    keep a couple cheap gas inverter generators around for spares,
    but we primarily use the Yamaha w/ propane.

    My truck is apparently so carbon'd up that I cannot run the
    E10/87 (87 octane my ass) without knocking and the PCM retarding
    the timing. I'm running some Shell Nitro with extra detergent
    added to try to clean it up. If I could find some of the old GM
    Top Engine Cleaner, I'd do that, but the EPA banned it. So they
    give us shit gas and no means to clean it. There's nowhere near
    enough detergent in any of the regular gasolines. I'm not pulling
    the heads to clean the cylinders, F that. I did find out that my
    truck shuts down at 98MPH too. Lame.

    On 4/4/2016 12:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    The labels say no ethanol!

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373

    On Apr 4, 2016 12:57 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com
    <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

        We've started our little Yamaha on a 20# tank at -15F
        before. It can be a bitch to get started because of the
        protection valves in tanks now. We had one old tank without
        the valve and it would fire up on the first pull every time.
        Now it takes 5-6 pulls using the choke to get that valve open.

        One thing I found out with all of my truck woes and shit
        gasoline is that small/carb engines were never designed to
        run the ethanol blends. The ethanol is corrosive to
        non-stainless fuel systems. This is why all FlexFuel
        certified systems are stainless delivery, injector rails, etc.

        On 4/4/2016 8:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

            Yeah, I have run lots of propane generators.  Here are a
            few problems.

            Temperature.  If it is -20F outside, you have to have a
            very very large tank to generate enough vapor to keep
            the generator running.

            Conversely you can use a liquid pickup and a vaporizer
            but you need heat energy for the vaporizer to get the
            thing started.

            And liquid pickups also pick all the dirt and sludge at
            the bottom of the tank.  You would not believe the
            amount of gunk in those tanks (I cut old ones up for
            smokers).

            And no matter what kind of fuel you use, the starter
            motor battery is a common point of failure as is
            charger.  I like to remote the battery into the heated
            building if there is a heated building. Generac was
            infamous for supplying a charger that failed and you
            didn't know until you needed.

            I started putting telemetry on all starter motor
            batteries on all generators.  That is the most important
            bit of data you need to monitor.

            -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup
            Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:43 PM
            To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PSA - check your generators!

            Propane

            On 4/3/2016 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                I've had a handful of generators that always started
                on the first pull. Until today.  Got another one for
                the site but started tearing apart the old one and I
                think it's a bad carb, something I'll have someone
                else take a look at.

                Mine are all sitting inside doing nothing, they're
                portable with two wheels but require two people or a
                ramp to put in the truck.  I don't know if I'd buy
                these size units again but I really do like the 8.5
                gallons and 24 hour run time...

                Josh Luthman
                Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                1100 Wayne St
                Suite 1337
                Troy, OH 45373






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