I’m way late to the conversation, but one note on 2.4GHz penetration seems to 
be that it’s not apples to apples on the base station antenna.  Many use the 
regular sector from Cambium while the UBNT sector has RF Armor or something 
else on it.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

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From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



Your welcome, I guess? =)



I'd rather be proving you wrong so we can gut Ubnt 2.4 and put up ePMP 2.4.






Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:



Thank you for proving my point ;)

----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:[email protected]>

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just suck at penetration.  I've done Ubnt 
KPP and IT Elite - they all performed terribly.






Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:



hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp performance.  
With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...



----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Hohhof <mailto:[email protected]>

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the antennas.  
2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care 
what brand radio launched them.  And I think the difference between the 
platforms will be most evident in low interference environment where they can 
achieve their full modulation and throughput.  With low SNR, I think it’s kind 
of like arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to 
show off its capabilities.  Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.





From: CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP





Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)

we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and 
from the performance of

the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!



----- Original Message -----

From: Matt <mailto:[email protected]>

To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?







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