Lots of good points here. I think when I sold mine bandwidth was about 8%
of my total expense.  Finally the last 3 yeasts we established a regular
test cycle for batteriesalong with writing the install date and last test
date. Really helps with outages.
I can't say how many timesan outage occurred and when I would dig deeper
the answer was "you were putting so much pressure on us to deploy i didn't
document or write up the monitoring." I had to start inspecting and testing
the sites myself,which is really what I should have been doing all along.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016, 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:

> Or lacks economies of scale.
>
> I was reading about Oracle buying NetSuite, and it mentioned that after
> Oracle bought PeopleSoft, they fired 5000 employees.
>
> Profits = revenues – expenses
>
> We tend to assume that if we take care of the top line, the bottom line
> will take care of itself.  I’m not arguing against that, just saying some
> of the big guys seem to find it easier to cut expenses.
>
> It doesn’t help that whenever someone “explains” the ISP business model,
> they simplify it to bandwidth costs a penny a gigabit, and everything else
> is profit.  So people don’t think about things like batteries at tower
> sites.  And it certainly is easier for big wired ISPs who can cherry pick
> their territories so they don’t have remote sites feeding 20 subscribers.
> It makes GPON sound attractive, put all the electronics in a nice building
> in town, and run passive fiber to the customers.
>
> In fairness, mobile carriers have remote cellsites which pretty much all
> have generators.
>
> The sin I’m most guilty of is putting battery backup at a site and then
> not implementing remote monitoring and alarming, so I don’t find out that I
> have to take out a portable generator until the site has been running on
> batteries for a day and they’ve run down.  The other thing with batteries
> is you’ll go 3 years without a power outage and then finally you have one
> and you didn’t replace the batteries and they fail.  So it’s necessary to
> regularly test the batteries or else replace them on a schedule.
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:50 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine
>
> a smaller company certainly has a smaller budget....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine
>
> The secret is to not let it bother you, or create systems and hire people
> that just ignore customer complaints.  At least that’s what some big ISPs
> with no competition do.  (Frontier, Centurylink)  I compare them to slum
> landlords who buy distressed properties and don’t spend a lot of money
> fixing them up or doing maintenance.  If people don’t like it, evict them
> and somebody else will take their place.  The churn costs less than fixing
> and upgrading the infrastructure, and ignoring the whining customers
> doesn’t cost anything if it’s part of your plan and you don’t lose sleep
> over it.  If you’re really clever, you build government subsidies into your
> business plan.
>
> It’s like if you sell your WISP to a big company, you probably imagine
> they will implement all the upgrades you couldn’t afford or didn’t get
> around to.  Probably not.  Once you stop losing sleep over customers saying
> bad things about you on Facebook, you spend only enough to keep the churn
> down to a tolerable percentage, the point where the cost of acquiring
> replacement customers starts to exceed what it would cost to fix the
> network.  Even with competition, inertia is a powerful force.  Some people
> will whine but not leave.
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:19 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine
>
>
> hahaha - that requires money!  i have to pay for my mafia...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Colin Stanners <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine
>
>
> That's the fun of running an Internet provider, which a lot of people
> consider an "essential utility" these days. All you can do is add
> redundancy through more towers and more UPS capacity.
> On Jul 30, 2016 5:30 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> so i lost tower "b" yesterday during a storm.  not a bad loss, actually.
>> water in a cable shorted out a power supply.
>> just happened to be the one backhaul link in.  i got it fixed about 2 pm?
>>
>> this morning about 11 am another round of storms took out the main tower
>> - tower "A " - power outage, i assume.  haven't been down there yet.
>> (ok, it's four hours later, its probably not just a power outage)
>>
>> now i'm getting calls from customers on "B" that they haven't had service
>> in days.  I guess not, if they didn't use it from 3 pm yesterday until 11
>> this morning.....uggh....
>>
>> correction - i don't take calls on weekends.  but they know me on
>> facebook....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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