in an ideal world, i'd allocate a time frame (april?) to check all sites.  use 
infrastructure day.
right now i've actually set aside a 2nd day for instrastructure per WEEK cause 
we're that behind

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine


  Classify what gets the red light treatment.  (Giggity)


  Then you can use PagerDuty to make it sms/call with their API, or literally a 
Pi and a red light on the wall, or simply an email.




  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:53 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:

    This is where we are now.. 
    I had to get over some Chemically induced pneumonia first before I could 
get back to it again so Ive been busy doing some automation reporting.
    I need to get some more of Forrests Site monitors and some AC current 
transducers for watching the lighting systems on a few more of our towers.
    Thank goodness for cacti for consolidating all this stuff and loganalyzer. 

    What I need now is to get an alarm system in my office or a big red light 
that comes on when a critical alarm hits on these reports.





    On 07/31/2016 10:22 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

      Lots of good points here. I think when I sold mine bandwidth was about 8% 
of my total expense.  Finally the last 3 yeasts we established a regular test 
cycle for batteriesalong with writing the install date and last test date. 
Really helps with outages. 
      I can't say how many timesan outage occurred and when I would dig deeper 
the answer was "you were putting so much pressure on us to deploy i didn't 
document or write up the monitoring." I had to start inspecting and testing the 
sites myself,which is really what I should have been doing all along. 



      On Sun, Jul 31, 2016, 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:

        Or lacks economies of scale.

        I was reading about Oracle buying NetSuite, and it mentioned that after 
Oracle bought PeopleSoft, they fired 5000 employees.

        Profits = revenues – expenses

        We tend to assume that if we take care of the top line, the bottom line 
will take care of itself.  I’m not arguing against that, just saying some of 
the big guys seem to find it easier to cut expenses.

        It doesn’t help that whenever someone “explains” the ISP business 
model, they simplify it to bandwidth costs a penny a gigabit, and everything 
else is profit.  So people don’t think about things like batteries at tower 
sites.  And it certainly is easier for big wired ISPs who can cherry pick their 
territories so they don’t have remote sites feeding 20 subscribers.  It makes 
GPON sound attractive, put all the electronics in a nice building in town, and 
run passive fiber to the customers.

        In fairness, mobile carriers have remote cellsites which pretty much 
all have generators.

        The sin I’m most guilty of is putting battery backup at a site and then 
not implementing remote monitoring and alarming, so I don’t find out that I 
have to take out a portable generator until the site has been running on 
batteries for a day and they’ve run down.  The other thing with batteries is 
you’ll go 3 years without a power outage and then finally you have one and you 
didn’t replace the batteries and they fail.  So it’s necessary to regularly 
test the batteries or else replace them on a schedule.


        From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
        Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:50 AM
        To: [email protected] 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine

        a smaller company certainly has a smaller budget....

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Ken Hohhof 
          To: [email protected] 
          Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:54 AM
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine

          The secret is to not let it bother you, or create systems and hire 
people that just ignore customer complaints.  At least that’s what some big 
ISPs with no competition do.  (Frontier, Centurylink)  I compare them to slum 
landlords who buy distressed properties and don’t spend a lot of money fixing 
them up or doing maintenance.  If people don’t like it, evict them and somebody 
else will take their place.  The churn costs less than fixing and upgrading the 
infrastructure, and ignoring the whining customers doesn’t cost anything if 
it’s part of your plan and you don’t lose sleep over it.  If you’re really 
clever, you build government subsidies into your business plan.

          It’s like if you sell your WISP to a big company, you probably 
imagine they will implement all the upgrades you couldn’t afford or didn’t get 
around to.  Probably not.  Once you stop losing sleep over customers saying bad 
things about you on Facebook, you spend only enough to keep the churn down to a 
tolerable percentage, the point where the cost of acquiring replacement 
customers starts to exceed what it would cost to fix the network.  Even with 
competition, inertia is a powerful force.  Some people will whine but not leave.


          From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
          Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:19 PM
          To: [email protected] 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine


          hahaha - that requires money!  i have to pay for my mafia...

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Colin Stanners 
            To: [email protected] 
            Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 6:11 PM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whine whine whine whine

            That's the fun of running an Internet provider, which a lot of 
people consider an "essential utility" these days. All you can do is add 
redundancy through more towers and more UPS capacity.

            On Jul 30, 2016 5:30 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<[email protected]> wrote:


              so i lost tower "b" yesterday during a storm.  not a bad loss, 
actually.  water in a cable shorted out a power supply.
              just happened to be the one backhaul link in.  i got it fixed 
about 2 pm?

              this morning about 11 am another round of storms took out the 
main tower - tower "A " - power outage, i assume.  haven't been down there yet. 
 (ok, it's four hours later, its probably not just a power outage)

              now i'm getting calls from customers on "B" that they haven't had 
service in days.  I guess not, if they didn't use it from 3 pm yesterday until 
11 this morning.....uggh....

              correction - i don't take calls on weekends.  but they know me on 
facebook....






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