Well let me play Devil's advocate here... Manifest Destiny for one.
On Sep 19, 2016 10:58 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

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> +1
>
*> From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*> Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 10:52 AM
*> To:* af@afmug.com
*> Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
>
> Anyone who believes that any powerful nation gets to be that way by
protecting the sovereignty of its citizens is in very much need of a
tighter helmet and an ice cream cone.
> Anyone who believes that any powerful nation gets to be that way by
following the terms of international treaties when no one is looking needs
fitted for said helmet.
>
> People are evil, and it takes evil men with good intentions to ensure
that the evil does not become the dominate factor defining humanity in the
public eye.
>
> He abused his acces, he is a traitor, he should meet his fate as such,
let him be a martyr. No good deed goes unpunished, its just the way of
humanity.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

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>> Well, you’re jumping to a conclusion that no one cares.  I think it
falls into the category of two wrongs don’t make a right.  Did he see a
genuine problem?  Probably yes.  Did he take the appropriate action?
Probably not.  And if he was so sure what he did was right, why not stay,
defend his actions, and face the consequences?  Running off to Russia
doesn’t sound very heroic, and it’s hard to argue he needed to hand over as
much stolen data as he did to foreign actors in order to make people
believe his claims.
>>
>> Tommy Chong deserves more sympathy.
>>
>>
*>> From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*>> Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 11:12 AM
*>> To:* af@afmug.com
*>> Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> I think what he did was great.  It's disappointing no one cares that our
government is taking away rights.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

>>>

>>> Does it make sense that I hate what he did but I'm kinda glad he did it?
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <312-205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <574-220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:57 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> Down with Snowden

>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yeah, I think Snowden is getting a whitewash courtesy of hollywood.
>>>>>
*>>>>> From:* George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
*>>>>> Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:43 PM
*>>>>> To:* af@afmug.com
*>>>>> Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
>>>>>
>>>>> He signed a contract. If he saw things being done that he believed
were against the constitution, then he should've went to his superiors and
said that he cannot carry out his duties since he feels that they are
unlawful. Then walked out, got a lawyer and said not a fucking thing about
anything classified. He leaked info that our enemies used against us. He's
a traitor, plain and simple. Not a hero. He deserves no pardon and no
sympathy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for whistle blowing, standing up for the rights of the people
and the spirit of the constitution and all that, but he went about it
completely the wrong way. And look where it got him. Idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/18/2016 4:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Snowden “does not work for a Russian organization, yet is
financially secure thanks to substantial savings from his years as a
well-paid contractor and more recently numerous awards and speaking fees
from around the world.”  3 years.  That’s a lot of savings, or he’s eating
a lot of ramen noodles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess Vladimir could let him live there for free just to piss off
the US.  And Russia has good hackers of their own (maybe Fancy Bear and
Cozy Bear will get their own movies), so maybe they haven’t needed any help
in the recent hacks.  Certainly Assange seems to be in bed with Pootie-Poot.
>>>>>>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/01/julian-assange-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin-a-troika-for-our-insane-era.html
<http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/01/julian-assange-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin-a-troika-for-our-insane-era.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
*>>>>>> From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*>>>>>> Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:13 PM
*>>>>>> To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
*>>>>>> Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean Trumpass, Trumpfuck,  Trumpshit... worse than calling one a
chickenshit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016 3:08 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Pled guilty and spent 9 months in federal prison for selling bongs
over the Internet.  Unlike a certain person who fled to Russia rather than
defend his actions in court, but wants a pardon to return.  I thought you
had to be convicted first to be pardoned, but then I remembered Gerald Ford
preemptively pardoned Richard Nixon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama might pardon Chong.  Snowden will have to hope for a pardon
from President Trumputin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
*>>>>>>> From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*>>>>>>> Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:51 PM
*>>>>>>> To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
*>>>>>>> Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cough cough orale. Righteous cause ese
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016 2:01 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for submitting your signature to the We the People
petition "Pardon Tommy Chong" via WhiteHouse.gov <http://whitehouse.gov>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petition Title: Pardon Tommy Chong
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This Petition is written to request that Tommy Chong be granted a
full Presidential Pardon. We believe this to be fair as first the nature of
the offense was neither violent nor the cause of any harm to any person or
place. Second, we feel this was done to make an example of Tommy Chong
during a period when unfettered persecution took place against those who
sought to give adults the choice of whether they wanted to use Cannabis
products on a voluntary basis either for medical purposes or recreationally
which is now the law in many States and is permissible under the law in
other States.
>>>>>>>> We respectfully request that Tommy Chong be granted a full
Presidential Pardon and submit the signatures of the signees below who
agree this to be a fair and just act on their behalf.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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