I could accept those statements as fact, but I'm less interested in
living in a powerful nation than living in one I don't have to be
ashamed of.
Secrets to maintain operational security are important, but that's a
short term thing; in some number of decades they become irrelevant.
Keeping secrets because we know full well we're doing something wrong
is....something else. Narcissistic?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/19/2016 12:58:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
+1
From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:52 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
Anyone who believes that any powerful nation gets to be that way by
protecting the sovereignty of its citizens is in very much need of a
tighter helmet and an ice cream cone.
Anyone who believes that any powerful nation gets to be that way by
following the terms of international treaties when no one is looking
needs fitted for said helmet.
People are evil, and it takes evil men with good intentions to ensure
that the evil does not become the dominate factor defining humanity in
the public eye.
He abused his acces, he is a traitor, he should meet his fate as such,
let him be a martyr. No good deed goes unpunished, its just the way of
humanity.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Well, you’re jumping to a conclusion that no one cares. I think it
falls into the category of two wrongs don’t make a right. Did he see
a genuine problem? Probably yes. Did he take the appropriate action?
Probably not. And if he was so sure what he did was right, why not
stay, defend his actions, and face the consequences? Running off to
Russia doesn’t sound very heroic, and it’s hard to argue he needed to
hand over as much stolen data as he did to foreign actors in order to
make people believe his claims.
Tommy Chong deserves more sympathy.
From:Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
Yes.
I think what he did was great. It's disappointing no one cares that
our government is taking away rights.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
<jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
Does it make sense that I hate what he did but I'm kinda glad he did
it?
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:57 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Down with Snowden
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
Yeah, I think Snowden is getting a whitewash courtesy of hollywood.
From:George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
He signed a contract. If he saw things being done that he believed
were against the constitution, then he should've went to his
superiors and said that he cannot carry out his duties since he
feels that they are unlawful. Then walked out, got a lawyer and
said not a fucking thing about anything classified. He leaked info
that our enemies used against us. He's a traitor, plain and simple.
Not a hero. He deserves no pardon and no sympathy.
I'm all for whistle blowing, standing up for the rights of the
people and the spirit of the constitution and all that, but he went
about it completely the wrong way. And look where it got him.
Idiot.
On 9/18/2016 4:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Snowden “does not work for a Russian organization, yet is
financially secure thanks to substantial savings from his years as
a well-paid contractor and more recently numerous awards and
speaking fees from around the world.” 3 years. That’s a lot of
savings, or he’s eating a lot of ramen noodles.
I guess Vladimir could let him live there for free just to piss
off the US. And Russia has good hackers of their own (maybe Fancy
Bear and Cozy Bear will get their own movies), so maybe they
haven’t needed any help in the recent hacks. Certainly Assange
seems to be in bed with Pootie-Poot.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/01/julian-assange-donald-trump-and-vladimir-putin-a-troika-for-our-insane-era.html
From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:13 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
You mean Trumpass, Trumpfuck, Trumpshit... worse than calling one
a chickenshit
On Sep 18, 2016 3:08 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Pled guilty and spent 9 months in federal prison for selling
bongs over the Internet. Unlike a certain person who fled to
Russia rather than defend his actions in court, but wants a
pardon to return. I thought you had to be convicted first to be
pardoned, but then I remembered Gerald Ford preemptively pardoned
Richard Nixon.
Obama might pardon Chong. Snowden will have to hope for a pardon
from President Trumputin.
From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:51 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being a good citizen
Cough cough orale. Righteous cause ese
On Sep 18, 2016 2:01 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Thank you for submitting your signature to the We the People
petition "Pardon Tommy Chong" via WhiteHouse.gov.
Petition Title: Pardon Tommy Chong
This Petition is written to request that Tommy Chong be granted
a full Presidential Pardon. We believe this to be fair as first
the nature of the offense was neither violent nor the cause of
any harm to any person or place. Second, we feel this was done
to make an example of Tommy Chong during a period when
unfettered persecution took place against those who sought to
give adults the choice of whether they wanted to use Cannabis
products on a voluntary basis either for medical purposes or
recreationally which is now the law in many States and is
permissible under the law in other States.
We respectfully request that Tommy Chong be granted a full
Presidential Pardon and submit the signatures of the signees
below who agree this to be a fair and just act on their behalf.
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