I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would have
saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a wreck, the
front end crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the back speared
through the drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the vehicle.
The accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting through
town and to the scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes
bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to get
her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get the
passenger door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we were
advised of the consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we put the
hammer down.
By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns, they
drove themselves to the hospital.
We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body
removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats what
a fresh burn corpse smells like.
One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having had
to back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person burn
alive.
The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is. cargo
vehicles need them, especially utility
Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the way
up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower..... see what im
saying?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
> He's a witch, burn him.
>
> On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s)
>
> 1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules
>
> 9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules
>
> That felt good to get my math on this morning...
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
>
> F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate
> someone's skull.
>
> On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat.
>
> On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is going
>> 88 fps, and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would be close),
>> and "instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It
>> can't go faster than that.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration...
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic speeds (~~
>>> 600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that.
>>>
>>> Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88
>>> fps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an F-150 and
>>> the drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the back of the cab and the
>>> drill bit poked right through the front seat. Missed him by inches.
>>>
>>> I imagine the seat slowed it down enough that it wouldn't have killed
>>> him, but still...
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these? I
>>> hate them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a
>>> flying object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying
>>> object.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a
>>> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there other advantages to them? I guess the AC and heater might
>>> work better if isolated from the cargo space. I’ve seen claims it makes
>>> the cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there
>>> has been an annoying rattle from the door to the back. I could maybe see
>>> if you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.
>>> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
