[image: Inline image 1] On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> I like mesh tops. > > /nocontext > > On Sep 29, 2016 1:24 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> mesh tops are nice, wont stop a ground rod, but better than nothing, >> people can bend a ground rod. It will stop unistrut though >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> Just to make clear where I’m coming from, we are out in the country and >>> have people killed fairly regularly at RR crossings without gates or >>> signals. Roads cross RR tracks at an angle, and I hate the limited >>> visibility out of a cargo van and anything that further restricts the >>> visibility, I have even considered getting glass in the passenger side >>> sliding door because that’s a blind spot at some of these RR crossings. >>> Luckily the sand trains are slow. The Amtrak trains though will kill you. >>> I have 2 customers with family members who experienced death by Amtrak. >>> They do typically put gates at crossings *after* someone is killed. >>> For example 18th Rd. by Leland, and 23rd Rd. by Somonauk, and that’s >>> just one 5 mile stretch of track. Personally, I want to see both ways even >>> if there is a gate. >>> >>> >>> >>> There’s also the constant risk of backing over someone’s mailbox, I >>> guess a backup camera would take care of that. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:00 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2016 12:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would >>> have saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a wreck, >>> the front end crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the back >>> speared through the drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the >>> vehicle. The accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting >>> through town and to the scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes >>> >>> bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to get >>> her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get the >>> passenger door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we were >>> advised of the consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we put the >>> hammer down. >>> >>> By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns, >>> they drove themselves to the hospital. >>> >>> We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body >>> removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats what >>> a fresh burn corpse smells like. >>> >>> One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having >>> had to back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person burn >>> alive. >>> >>> >>> >>> The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is. cargo >>> vehicles need them, especially utility >>> >>> >>> >>> Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the >>> way up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower..... see what im >>> saying? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> He's a witch, burn him. >>> >>> On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>> Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s) >>> >>> >>> >>> 1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules >>> >>> >>> >>> 9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules >>> >>> >>> >>> That felt good to get my math on this morning... >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* George Skorup >>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question >>> >>> >>> >>> F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate >>> someone's skull. >>> >>> On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is going >>> 88 fps, and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would be close), >>> and "instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It >>> can't go faster than that. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic speeds (~~ >>> 600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that. >>> >>> Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88 >>> fps. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an F-150 and >>> the drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the back of the cab and the >>> drill bit poked right through the front seat. Missed him by inches. >>> >>> >>> >>> I imagine the seat slowed it down enough that it wouldn't have killed >>> him, but still... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM >>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these? I >>> hate them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a >>> flying object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying >>> object. >>> >>> >>> >>> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a >>> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice. >>> >>> >>> >>> Are there other advantages to them? I guess the AC and heater might >>> work better if isolated from the cargo space. I’ve seen claims it makes >>> the cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there >>> has been an annoying rattle from the door to the back. I could maybe see >>> if you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition. >>> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.