+1 On Sep 29, 2016 12:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would have > saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a wreck, the > front end crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the back speared > through the drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the vehicle. > The accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting through > town and to the scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes > bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to get > her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get the > passenger door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we were > advised of the consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we put the > hammer down. > By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns, they > drove themselves to the hospital. > We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body > removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats what > a fresh burn corpse smells like. > One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having had > to back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person burn > alive. > > The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is. cargo > vehicles need them, especially utility > > Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the > way up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower..... see what im > saying? > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: > >> He's a witch, burn him. >> >> On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s) >> >> 1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules >> >> 9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules >> >> That felt good to get my math on this morning... >> >> *From:* George Skorup >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question >> >> F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate >> someone's skull. >> >> On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat. >> >> On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is going >>> 88 fps, and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would be close), >>> and "instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It >>> can't go faster than that. >>> >>> bp >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> >>> Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration... >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic speeds (~~ >>>> 600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that. >>>> >>>> Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88 >>>> fps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >>>> I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an F-150 >>>> and the drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the back of the cab and >>>> the drill bit poked right through the front seat. Missed him by inches. >>>> >>>> I imagine the seat slowed it down enough that it wouldn't have killed >>>> him, but still... >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these? I >>>> hate them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a >>>> flying object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying >>>> object. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a >>>> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Are there other advantages to them? I guess the AC and heater might >>>> work better if isolated from the cargo space. I’ve seen claims it makes >>>> the cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there >>>> has been an annoying rattle from the door to the back. I could maybe see >>>> if you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition. >>>> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
