Illinois has open spaces? I thought it was all concrete jungles ... On Sep 29, 2016 12:18 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just to make clear where I’m coming from, we are out in the country and > have people killed fairly regularly at RR crossings without gates or > signals. Roads cross RR tracks at an angle, and I hate the limited > visibility out of a cargo van and anything that further restricts the > visibility, I have even considered getting glass in the passenger side > sliding door because that’s a blind spot at some of these RR crossings. > Luckily the sand trains are slow. The Amtrak trains though will kill you. > I have 2 customers with family members who experienced death by Amtrak. > They do typically put gates at crossings *after* someone is killed. For > example 18th Rd. by Leland, and 23rd Rd. by Somonauk, and that’s just one > 5 mile stretch of track. Personally, I want to see both ways even if there > is a gate. > > > > There’s also the constant risk of backing over someone’s mailbox, I guess > a backup camera would take care of that. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:00 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question > > > > +1 > > > > On Sep 29, 2016 12:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would have > saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a wreck, the > front end crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the back speared > through the drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the vehicle. > The accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting through > town and to the scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes > > bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to get > her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get the > passenger door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we were > advised of the consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we put the > hammer down. > > By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns, they > drove themselves to the hospital. > > We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body > removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats what > a fresh burn corpse smells like. > > One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having had > to back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person burn > alive. > > > > The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is. cargo > vehicles need them, especially utility > > > > Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the > way up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower..... see what im > saying? > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: > > He's a witch, burn him. > > On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s) > > > > 1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules > > > > 9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules > > > > That felt good to get my math on this morning... > > > > *From:* George Skorup > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question > > > > F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate > someone's skull. > > On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat. > > > > On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is going 88 > fps, and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would be close), and > "instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It > can't go faster than that. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration... > > > > On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: > > That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic speeds (~~ > 600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that. > > Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88 fps. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an F-150 and > the drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the back of the cab and the > drill bit poked right through the front seat. Missed him by inches. > > > > I imagine the seat slowed it down enough that it wouldn't have killed him, > but still... > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM > > Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question > > > > Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these? I hate > them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying > object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object. > > > > I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a > backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice. > > > > Are there other advantages to them? I guess the AC and heater might work > better if isolated from the cargo space. I’ve seen claims it makes the > cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has > been an annoying rattle from the door to the back. I could maybe see if > you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition. > That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >
